wescoent Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 http://www.autoblog.com/2008/10/22/spy-sho...n-pennsylvania/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 From what can be seen of it, interior looks like it'll be pretty nice. That's to be expected on Lincolns now though. Good to see they are improving quickly on that front. As for the exterior, couldn't really see any new details. Based on what can be seen of the front though, this thing is going to be hard to miss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one2gamble Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 I dont know that I am going to like the profile but the nose looks pretty aggressive and the interior looks very nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 (edited) Looks great inside, outside looks like an Enclave with the critical design characteristics covered. I hate the Enclave mind you! I'm hoping the Lincoln has a bit more edge to it. Edited October 22, 2008 by BORG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extreme4x4 Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Thank you !!!! I'm glad that I am not the only one who thinks the Enclave looks strange (strange bulges all over, and weak grille). To listen to the guys on GMI, the design of the Enclave is the standard by which all CUV's are judged. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsime653 Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 What exactly is the reason for this vehicle? And who are they targeting? The Pacifica never did too well, and neither is the Flex. I am curious as to the justification of this vehicle. Is there a market there anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 What exactly is the reason for this vehicle? And who are they targeting? The Pacifica never did too well, and neither is the Flex. I am curious as to the justification of this vehicle. Is there a market there anymore? It's a midsize CUV. Nothing less, nothing more. Don't try to read into its intended audience too much. It's just supposed to slot between the MKX and Navigator. I would have rather seen this money go toward something else, but it should do okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 It's a midsize CUV. Nothing less, nothing more. Don't try to read into its intended audience too much. It's just supposed to slot between the MKX and Navigator. I would have rather seen this money go toward something else, but it should do okay. The main benefit is to keep former Navigator owners who want a 7 passenger luxury CUV driving a Ford product. There is still a market, it's just smaller than it used to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 (edited) Sure, the MKT will offer an alternative for existing Navigator owners but, I thought the MKT and MKS are all about conquest sales and increasing Lincoln's market share. Edited October 22, 2008 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 nice paint! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Sure, the MKT will offer an alternative for existing Navigator owners but, I thought the MKT and MKS are all about conquest sales and increasing Lincoln's market share. There will be a fair share of conquest sales, but what good are conquest sales if you can't keep your current clientele? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsime653 Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 I would have rather seen this money go toward something else, but it should do okay. I don't see it doing any better than the Flex...which is not doing good. Either way, the money should have been spent elsewhere. The last thing Ford needs is another large station wagon that gets so-so gas mileage. I think a MKZ wagon would have been a much better choice. Smaller, but more importantly, it would be unique and efficient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 I think a MKZ wagon would have been a much better choice. That wouldn't compete for buyers with the MKX at all, would it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Please no wagons! Wagons are extinct for good. Only Caddy and Dodge were dumb enough to think otherwise and look how well they are doing. The MKT is probably going after the Lambdas customers, or the customers stepping out of their Yukons, Suburbans, Expeditions, Navigators, etc... I'm not sure there are many import shoppers for these sort of cars. Both the Flex and MKT are very ambitious products for frugal Ford, both sporting completely different top hats. Sadly, they are being applied in segments with the worst potential in this economy. And yes, I think the Enclave is a hideous amorphous sloppy looking blinged out blob, I despise the design! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 The center stack, silver trim detail, as those on the vents on either side, have a Lexus like characteristic about them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 It's a midsize CUV. Nothing less, nothing more. Don't try to read into its intended audience too much. It's just supposed to slot between the MKX and Navigator. I would have rather seen this money go toward something else, but it should do okay. Isn't it considered full size? I don't see it doing any better than the Flex...which is not doing good. Either way, the money should have been spent elsewhere. The last thing Ford needs is another large station wagon that gets so-so gas mileage. I think a MKZ wagon would have been a much better choice. Smaller, but more importantly, it would be unique and efficient. I'm sure the current economic state has nothing to do with how well the Flex is selling. And so-so gas mileage? Flex gets the same, if not better mileage than most of it's competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goinbroke2 Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 (edited) Please no wagons! Wagons are extinct for good. Only Caddy and Dodge were dumb enough to think otherwise and look how well they are doing. The MKT is probably going after the Lambdas customers, or the customers stepping out of their Yukons, Suburbans, Expeditions, Navigators, etc... I'm not sure there are many import shoppers for these sort of cars. Both the Flex and MKT are very ambitious products for frugal Ford, both sporting completely different top hats. Sadly, they are being applied in segments with the worst potential in this economy. And yes, I think the Enclave is a hideous amorphous sloppy looking blinged out blob, I despise the design! Wagons are extinct for good?? Well the fact that the focus doesn't come in a wagon is the reason a guy at the shop (who has a 07 f150 also) bought a accord or camry or whatever that honda piece of shit is. It is also the reason one of my neibours bought a chrysler minivan instead of a taurus wagon which isn't offered, so don't make a blanket statement that wagons are gone for good and nobody wants them. A focus wagon would suit the wife, with her current job, better than the freestar she's currently driving but since it wasn't offered she stayed with a minivan. We had a crown vic, and the toss up was between keeping it or the windstar we had before, because of the room/utility of a minivan, we kept the windstar. If the CV would of been a wagon the decision might have gone the other way. Edited October 23, 2008 by goinbroke2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante hicks Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Please no wagons! Wagons are extinct for good. Only Caddy and Dodge were dumb enough to think otherwise and look how well they are doing. I'm not sure there are many import shoppers for these sort of cars. You can hardly blame Chrysler and GM's problems on wagons. Before you say wagons are extinct for good, you'd better hope that 4 dollar gas is too. I don't think that Mercedes R class is setting the world on fire, saleswise, but I see a fair number around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Both the Flex and MKT are very ambitious products for frugal Ford, both sporting completely different top hats. Sadly, they are being applied in segments with the worst potential in this economy. I have to totally agree with you here...Once people get their bills paid off or need new cars they are going to be very attractive to people who want an SUV or a Minivan without the stigma of either. I just wonder what Ford's sales projections are for the MKT, since the numbers I saw where are in line as to what the cheaper Flex is selling at now. The Flex is a great product with horendous timing when it came to launching. The automarket as a whole is going to blow chunks till 2010 the earliest... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68Cougar Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Please no wagons! Wagons are extinct for good. Could have fooled me with all the Subaru wagons I see on the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wescoent Posted October 23, 2008 Author Share Posted October 23, 2008 Remember... the theme for this vehicle is "a corporate jet for the road", according to Pete Horbury. I'm very excited. Everyone at my office was blown away by the style at NYIAS, and this could be a hit among the well-heeled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J2D Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 The MKT is meant to be an LUXURY vehicle. hence the word luxury, if you can afford this vehicle then there is no need to complain about little things as gas mileage. I don't believe that owners of Land Rovers care about gas mileage, no more than Ferrari and Lamborghini owners do. I do believe that when this vehicle hits the market with it's exotic look. everyone will be re-financing their homes all over again just to have one. As much as I hate to admit it Lincoln is making a great comeback while Ford continues to flop on decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wescoent Posted October 23, 2008 Author Share Posted October 23, 2008 Here's a wild thought. Could those clear champagne-glass-esque gauge pods be one aspect of Gen. 2 amb. lighting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsime653 Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 That wouldn't compete for buyers with the MKX at all, would it? No...the MKX is a SUV, the MKZ wagon would be...a wagon. Please no wagons! Wagons are extinct for good. Only Caddy and Dodge were dumb enough to think otherwise and look how well they are doing. Really? What about the Flex? That is a wagon. No other way to describe it (unless you fool yourself and call it a crossover...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 No...the MKX is a SUV, the MKZ wagon would be...a wagon. But they would have nearly identical prices, interior dimensions, and would probably be within 1-2MPG combined of each other. And acceleration would be pretty similar too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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