8A4RE Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123334969172234519.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprtch06 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Wow! you don't see articles dissing Toyota very often. Just like the author said, they aren't as green as they would have you believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Wow! you don't see articles dissing Toyota very often. Just like the author said, they aren't as green as they would have you believe. its about time the media realises they've been hosed by Toyota for years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92merc Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Here's the proto-type mule testing of the Venza. It does look better... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exploder48 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 its about time the media realises they've been hosed by Toyota for years Yeah, but how long will it take mainstream (?) America to realize that they've been had for so many years? This ugly, underperforming(being kind) POS will still probably sell because it's a Toyota. Come on folks, wake up and look at the domestics for once, willya? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guesswhoscomingtodinner Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Yeah, but how long will it take mainstream (?) America to realize that they've been had for so many years? This ugly, underperforming(being kind) POS will still probably sell because it's a Toyota. Come on folks, wake up and look at the domestics for once, willya? So break it down for me, what is better about the Edge over the Vensa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 So break it down for me, what is better about the Edge over the Vensa? The looks alone do it for me. I don't think the Venza is ugly as some here suggest, but I think the Edge is one of the best looking CUVs on the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exploder48 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 So break it down for me, what is better about the Edge over the Vensa? Read his comments again for the AWD system. As an Edge owner living where the snow sometimes gets heavy, I have absolutely no trouble negotiating my way around. The way he describes the Venza (what the hell kind of name is that anyway, a Japanese attempt at Italian?) I'd be nervous driving it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guesswhoscomingtodinner Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Read his comments again for the AWD system. As an Edge owner living where the snow sometimes gets heavy, I have absolutely no trouble negotiating my way around. The way he describes the Venza (what the hell kind of name is that anyway, a Japanese attempt at Italian?) I'd be nervous driving it. Since I live where it never snows, moot point. Also, giving an OPINION about looks of the Vensa vs. the Edge would not work on me. I find the Edge boring and generic. Especially the interior. So back to convincing me the Edge is a better choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 So back to convincing me the Edge is a better choice. why even bother? you have a hate on for Ford so nothing we could say would ever convince you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixt9coug Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 So break it down for me, what is better about the Edge over the Vensa? Only subjective things like looks IMO. Vice versa, what does the Venza have over the Edge? They are both rather comprable in their segments, although the Edge probably has better AWD manners. (something which i know nothing about, ive been in snow only twice in my life) That review was almost as scathing as the Kia Borracho one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exploder48 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 why even bother? you have a hate on for Ford so nothing we could say would ever convince you. Amen to that- some people just need to be heard, no matter how little they speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmm55 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Since I live where it never snows, moot point. Also, giving an OPINION about looks of the Vensa vs. the Edge would not work on me. I find the Edge boring and generic. Especially the interior. So back to convincing me the Edge is a better choice. http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/Ford_Edge/ I won't even try to convince you.....it has to do with preference. But I did drive a friend's Edge the other day, and I was very impressed: smooth ride, handled very well and was surprisingly peppy. I love the looks. The interior is rather plain but very functional. This was a base model with cloth seats that were very comfortable (actually I don't like leather myself as they crease/crack and are too slippery, and cloth soaks up noise better). As I said to him "This is the vehicle to take on a long distance drive!" I was doing 80-90 mph and it was effortless. IF I needed a 4 door car/truck with limousine comfort this would be at the top of my list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmm55 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 This article mentions Toyota's unraveling (note 2007 date): http://www.cars.com/go/crp/research.jsp?re...amp;aff=newsday Perhaps I'm just reacting to the wind shear. In the midst of Toyota's triumphal march across America - including a go at NASCAR racing and a full-court press in the full-size pickup segment (Tundra), both at the emotional heart of American car culture - the Yaris seems puny. Excellence has become so routine that, when one of Toyota's cars goes so far amiss, you have to wonder if this is the first thread of an unraveling Toyota mystique. The Vensa is another tug on the unraveling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one2gamble Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 I find the Edge boring and generic. The ven is basically an edge rip off a few years newer.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97svtgoin05gt Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 I totally agree with everything he says. As soon as I saw the Ven on TV, I was like huh?? Why are they doing this now? Makes no sense whatsoever. I suppose they are counting on sales because it has the word "Toyota" on it. I don't see much in the way of numbers out of this thing at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reynolds Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 (edited) Since I live where it never snows, moot point. Also, giving an OPINION about looks of the Vensa vs. the Edge would not work on me. I find the Edge boring and generic. Especially the interior. So back to convincing me the Edge is a better choice. Well for one thing the Edge doesn't ride atop a sloppy Camry chassis. And what's so thrilling about an interior trimmed with 'wood' that looks like something that someone printed off their home inkjet printer and glued to the center console? Edited February 24, 2009 by Michael Reynolds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Critic Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 So I've got an upscale Edge, the MKX and i think it's styling is excellent. Seeing that toyoda shown on TV makes me think somehow they have computer generated the image of it,, it just looks stretched out too long low and wide. Interior wise, I hate where toyoda has put that automatic control stick, that seems to idiotic to me, they just should go with push-buttons on the dash. Also leather today is NOT like leather from 20 years ago. It's coated with a polyurethane, and will not crack or split. I know in the Edge a lot of people complain about how hard the seats are, I thought the same when I first got into mine, but then in just a short wile, I began to like how it felt. Something is different about them, like they studied how your body reacts to long distance traveling and the seats seem to envelope you. Personally, I don't think I would have bought the Edge if the Lincoln wasn't available. But I did and still do like that MKX interior. Quiet too quiet, you can't tell the engine is running, smooth ride. plenty of room. Best vehicle I've ever owned. Next time you see that toyoda on TV, take a look at how I described it's looks, that can't be real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Well for one thing the Edge doesn't ride atop a sloppy Camry chassis. And what's so thrilling about an interior trimmed with 'wood' that looks like something that someone printed off their home inkjet printer and glued to the center console? you mean the kind with visible half-tone dots? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 So back to convincing me the Edge is a better choice. Why??? You aren't going to buy one no matter what anyone says.....hurry and go get your Venza, and take your hatin' ass on over to ToyotaNation dot com.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Here's the proto-type mule testing of the Venza. It does look better... "When it comes to winter driving, the Venza is the worst all-wheel-drive vehicle I have ever tested." Good thing he didn't test the Mule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 What is happening is that Toyota's Camry underpinnings are showing their age and inadequacy. Toyota has treated the '92 Camry like a piece of taffy. They've stretched it in all three dimensions without substantially re-engineering it or rethinking it, and the result is, well, what you see here. A vehicle that only weighs a couple hundred pounds less than the Edge, but with none of its charms, space, or versatility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2005Explorer Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 (edited) What is happening is that Toyota's Camry underpinnings are showing their age and inadequacy. Toyota has treated the '92 Camry like a piece of taffy. They've stretched it in all three dimensions without substantially re-engineering it or rethinking it, and the result is, well, what you see here. A vehicle that only weighs a couple hundred pounds less than the Edge, but with none of its charms, space, or versatility. What Toyota is doing with the outdated Camry platform is not much different then what Ford did with the D186 platform (original Taurus). Ford treated that platform like a piece of taffy and we all know how that ended up for them. Give Toyota a couple more years and you are going to start seeing the same effect. BTW... off topic... Richard I hope you were not at the Fryn' Pan on 12th today! That sounded like a crazy situation! Edited February 25, 2009 by 2005Explorer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazerdude20 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 What is happening is that Toyota's Camry underpinnings are showing their age and inadequacy. Toyota has treated the '92 Camry like a piece of taffy. They've stretched it in all three dimensions without substantially re-engineering it or rethinking it, and the result is, well, what you see here. A vehicle that only weighs a couple hundred pounds less than the Edge, but with none of its charms, space, or versatility. god if that is true then wow. toyota is more like gm with each passing day. i hated the way the venza looked when i saw it online. but after seeing a few on the road they actually look pretty good, of course that could be because im a big fan of the original... the edge. i went to the autoshow a few weeks back excited to mess with the venza, but once inside i was greatly disappointed. the materials were not very good and the gear selector placement bugs me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 BTW... off topic... Richard I hope you were not at the Fryn' Pan on 12th today! That sounded like a crazy situation! I was not. In fact this is the first I've heard of it. Time for the city to get serious about cleaning up Pettigrew Heights, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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