azulejost Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 (edited) Link Front and rear changes for the sedan. Who knows what sort of changes the rear of the 5-door will have, but I cannot tell much about the rear from those pictures. Edited April 10, 2009 by azulejost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_in_va Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Just what I've been waiting for. Thanks for the link. Here's leftlane's version: http://www.leftlanenews.com/ford-fiesta-sedan.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Here's leftlane's version: http://www.leftlanenews.com/ford-fiesta-sedan.html Ford did not officially announce which hatchback the U.S. would see — the Fiesta is produced as both a three-door and five-door variants in other world markets — but a source at Ford’s Mexican plant indicated that both versions would be available in the U.S. 3-door! :happy feet: :happy feet: :happy feet: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smok Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 I am getting tired of the Fiesta, and it's not even out yet. :-) Still more than a year away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSFan00 Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 Probably the most anticipated Ford NA-market car since what? Fox Mustang? Taurus SHO? I honestly can't wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkisler Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 3-door! :happy feet: :happy feet: :happy feet: I would like to see the 3-door also, but the data in this article was so inaccurate as to be laughable, so I'll believe it when I see it. I can't imagine there would be any way Ford spent anywhere close to $3 billion on the plant in Cuatitlan. Less than $1 billion would be my guess, but I'm not sure about the stamping process. Now that the 4-door has been released in China, and the Fiesta is being modified for U.S. requirements, I can't think of any reason why the 4-door would be delayed for one year past the 5-door, so I think that statement is in error. There is no way the capacity is 500,000 upa. On 2 shifts, I would think capacity would be around 200k, but a third shift is possible if volume takes off. Keep your fingers crossed on the 3-door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 I can't imagine there would be any way Ford spent anywhere close to $3 billion on the plant in Cuatitlan. Less than $1 billion would be my guess, but I'm not sure about the stamping process. Ford has spent $2 Billion in Hermosillo to transform it from producing the Focus to the Fusion, and that was back in 2004/2005. There is no way Ford can gut a plant and retool it for less than $2 to $3 Billion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 I am getting tired of the Fiesta, and it's not even out yet. :-) Still more than a year away. It will be out in less than a year. Early 2009 launch is the Fiesta, Mid year is the Explorer and Facelifted Edge, Late is the Focus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Versa-Tech Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 Link Front and rear changes for the sedan. Who knows what sort of changes the rear of the 5-door will have, but I cannot tell much about the rear from those pictures. :banvictory: :bandance: :bandance: :banvictory: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 I am getting tired of the Fiesta, and it's not even out yet. :-) Still more than a year away. This is Ford's Camaro. It should have been on the market this spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 It will be out in less than a year. Early 2009 launch is the Fiesta, Mid year is the Explorer and Facelifted Edge, Late is the Focus. Last I checked we are in Q2 2009. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Versa-Tech Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 This is Ford's Camaro. It should have been on the market this spring. If this was Ford's Camaro, we would all be disgusted instead of excited :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkisler Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 (edited) Ford has spent $2 Billion in Hermosillo to transform it from producing the Focus to the Fusion, and that was back in 2004/2005. There is no way Ford can gut a plant and retool it for less than $2 to $3 Billion. Sorry, Pioneer, I realize the plant has been gutted, but based on my knowledge, these numbers still are way too high. If it cost that much, the program would come to a full stop. Of course it depends on whether you need a new paint shop or if, as I suspect, you have to add stamping capacity for Cuatitlan and you also included the cost of the dies. Sometimes for bragging points, the manufacturer or more likely the state will incorporate other spending like spending by suppliers to come up with a larger figure. I also don't believe Ford spent $2 billion in Hermosillo for Fusion, unless you're maybe including all the cumulative investment since the Fusion was installed, including the product development spending and all the spending for the derivatives and the freshenings including the stamping dies? Then, maybe. But not $2 billion for the specific plant revisions for the Fusion plus the capacity expansion. In fact, I'm just listening to a TV report on Hyundai that quotes their plant in Alabama cost 1.4 billion. And that's a greenfield site. All new flexible plant with an all new paint shop. With site preparation including prep for supplier facilities. Integrated stamping, so it should include the investment for the presses. But not vehicle-specific spending. These are numbers that are much closer to what I would recognize. Of course Alabama and our friendly buffoon Sen. Shelby funded about a third of the expenditure. Edited April 11, 2009 by Austin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 I am getting tired of the Fiesta, and it's not even out yet. :-) Still more than a year away. I saw this one on the road the other day. I liked it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 "and our friendly buffoon" A buffoon? Sounds like somebody who polishes cars for a living. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKII Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 (edited) I would like to see the 3-door also, but the data in this article was so inaccurate as to be laughable, so I'll believe it when I see it. I can't imagine there would be any way Ford spent anywhere close to $3 billion on the plant in Cuatitlan. Less than $1 billion would be my guess, but I'm not sure about the stamping process. There is no way the capacity is 500,000 upa. On 2 shifts, I would think capacity would be around 200k, but a third shift is possible if volume takes off. Keep your fingers crossed on the 3-door. As the article belows points out , the $3B is spead over 3 major investmests. Bryce G. Hoffman / The Detroit News Ford Motor Co. announced a series of new investments in Mexico Friday worth $3 billion -- the largest automotive investment ever in the country. The Dearborn automaker confirmed plans to build the North American version of its new Ford Fiesta subcompact at its Cuautitlán Assembly Plant. Ford also will add a new diesel line at its Chihuahua Engine Plant and is planning to build a new joint-venture transmission factory with German supplier Getrag in Guanajuato http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic...UTO01/805310341 WardsAuto.com, May 30, 2008 4:07 PM Ford today says it will add production of 500,000 vehicles annually in Mexico by 2012, including its launch of its new Fiesta subcompact at the Cuautitlan plant in early 2010. HERMOSILLO, Mexico – Ford Motor Company (www.ford.com) has mapped out two major parts of its future: the new Futura midsize model and the Hermosillo, Mexico, assembly plant that will be the first to build it. The nation's second-largest automaker is fusing those two together with an investment of as much as US$1 billion, revamping the Mexican operation's production system and building a huge supplier park http://www.siteselection.com/ssinsider/bbdeal/bd031201.htm Edited April 15, 2009 by MKII Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smok Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 As the article belows points out , the $3B is spead over 3 major investmests. Bryce G. Hoffman / The Detroit News Ford Motor Co. announced a series of new investments in Mexico Friday worth $3 billion -- the largest automotive investment ever in the country. The Dearborn automaker confirmed plans to build the North American version of its new Ford Fiesta subcompact at its Cuautitlán Assembly Plant. Ford also will add a new diesel line at its Chihuahua Engine Plant and is planning to build a new joint-venture transmission factory with German supplier Getrag in Guanajuato http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic...UTO01/805310341 WardsAuto.com, May 30, 2008 4:07 PM Ford today says it will add production of 500,000 vehicles annually in Mexico by 2012, including its launch of its new Fiesta subcompact at the Cuautitlan plant in early 2010. HERMOSILLO, Mexico – Ford Motor Company (www.ford.com) has mapped out two major parts of its future: the new Futura midsize model and the Hermosillo, Mexico, assembly plant that will be the first to build it. The nation's second-largest automaker is fusing those two together with an investment of as much as US$1 billion, revamping the Mexican operation's production system and building a huge supplier park http://www.siteselection.com/ssinsider/bbdeal/bd031201.htm If they just keeping on doing what they did in Hermosillo, Mexico where they make the Fusion/MKZ/Milan, they'll be fine. The MAIN reason why the quality rankings of Ford have risen is because of Ford Of Mexico. Why wouldn't Ford invest in a win-win situation. In addition, the profits from the cheap Mexican operations will pay for the overpaid domestic wages, benefits and pensions... :happy feet: And there is nothing that the United Against Work mob can do about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 If they just keeping on doing what they did in Hermosillo, Mexico where they make the Fusion/MKZ/Milan, they'll be fine. The MAIN reason why the quality rankings of Ford have risen is because of Ford Of Mexico. Why wouldn't Ford invest in a win-win situation. In addition, the profits from the cheap Mexican operations will pay for the overpaid domestic wages, benefits and pensions... :happy feet: And there is nothing that the United Against Work mob can do about this. Enough pot-stirring. You can make your point without being intentionally rude to our UAW members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSFan00 Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Mexico is the future of F production for NA and Latin/South America as well. The Brazilian Camcari plant in particular (Fiesta/Ecosport) seems to also be a model facility, though. Eventually (10 yrs?), I think only pickups will be built in the USA. The demise of Chrysco and defenestration of GM over the next year will make Ford's negotiating strength for these types of plants much stronger vs. the remaining might of the UAW however, and that might save some US car production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smok Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Enough pot-stirring. You can make your point without being intentionally rude to our UAW members. I have nothing against the hard working members, I have a problem with the UAW leadership's philosophy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 I would like to see the 3-door also, but the data in this article was so inaccurate as to be laughable, so I'll believe it when I see it. I can't imagine there would be any way Ford spent anywhere close to $3 billion on the plant in Cuatitlan. Less than $1 billion would be my guess, but I'm not sure about the stamping process. Now that the 4-door has been released in China, and the Fiesta is being modified for U.S. requirements, I can't think of any reason why the 4-door would be delayed for one year past the 5-door, so I think that statement is in error. There is no way the capacity is 500,000 upa. On 2 shifts, I would think capacity would be around 200k, but a third shift is possible if volume takes off. Keep your fingers crossed on the 3-door. the totoal investment, is about 3 billion. including new engine plant, transmission, and retooled assembly plant. we are adding 1.6l I4 and scorpion V8 diesel production to chihuahua. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 I wish nothing but the best for Ford, but I hope every single one of their investments in Mexico fails miserably. I can't believe Americans are actually happy that jobs are being lost to another country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 I wish nothing but the best for Ford, but I hope every single one of their investments in Mexico fails miserably. I can't believe Americans are actually happy that jobs are being lost to another country. The problem is that if they do, they will lose even more jobs in the USA. Not everyone wants to work a manual labor factory job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 The problem is that if they do, they will lose even more jobs in the USA. Agreed, but who cares. Nobody cares about America anymore. Not everyone wants to work a manual labor factory job It beats being stuck in a cubicle all day: playing solitaire, surfing the Internet, and trying not to get paper cuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 I like the hatch, but the sedan is just a necessary evil, I'd rather we didn't see one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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