Chester Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 I think Expedition and Navigator could shrink to T6 and still be successful. Eh... Go to a horse show or boat ramp (or any other place where trailers are being pulled) and see what's pulling them. There is still a market for full sized vehicles. Just not in the same volume as 5 years ago. Shrinking a Tahoe or Expedition would not be a smart idea (at least in my mind). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLPRacing Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 I think Expedition and Navigator could shrink to T6 and still be successful. I've owned a few Expeditions and currently own an EL and if the Expedition were to shrink at all, I would just keep my current one forever. IMO, the Expedition needs to stay full size and keep IRS. Now if they were to build a Bronco on T6 with real off road capability, that would a great idea! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 A ha ha ha ha ha, That's the same colour as my brother's Territory Ghia, I've borrowed it several times over the past year and never once noticed the small upper hatch............ I wish the Explorer had a window hatch like that, it the chrome even makes it look like it should if you ask me: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 I wish the Explorer had a window hatch like that, it the chrome even makes it look like it should if you ask me: Yeah, I dunno why they're moving away from that - I always like the liftglass feature - I guess it's a cost-/complexity-/weight(?)-saving measure. I don't like how the Explorer doesn't have a black plastic "guard" on the bumper where it cuts out for the rear liftgate - that's scratch-central if you ask me (I think the Edge is like that too, though). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 19, 2010 Author Share Posted December 19, 2010 (edited) Courtesy of spymano3 on Ford Australia Forums: This looks to be an incomplete or Mule dash, possibly for HVAC evaluation... My link Edited December 19, 2010 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CurtisH Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Yeah, I dunno why they're moving away from that - I always like the liftglass feature - I guess it's a cost-/complexity-/weight(?)-saving measure. I don't like how the Explorer doesn't have a black plastic "guard" on the bumper where it cuts out for the rear liftgate - that's scratch-central if you ask me (I think the Edge is like that too, though). The Edge has a black plastic guard if you get the cargo package option (I think that is the name of the option). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Yeah, I dunno why they're moving away from that - I always like the liftglass feature - I guess it's a cost-/complexity-/weight(?)-saving measure. I don't like how the Explorer doesn't have a black plastic "guard" on the bumper where it cuts out for the rear liftgate - that's scratch-central if you ask me (I think the Edge is like that too, though). With the higher beltline, I'm not sure how useful opening rear glass would be, especially with the availability of a power liftgate. As for the top of the bumper, there should be an optional cover for it -- there is on my Edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 The Edge has a black plastic guard if you get the cargo package option (I think that is the name of the option). With the higher beltline, I'm not sure how useful opening rear glass would be, especially with the availability of a power liftgate. As for the top of the bumper, there should be an optional cover for it -- there is on my Edge. I did not realize there was an available cover on the Edge. The liftglass would be handy for small items that you don't want to (or may not be able to) open the entire liftgate for. There are times I've had one small item I went to get out of the back of my Flex, I open the liftgate, get the item, then close the liftgate only to realize after it's already closed again that I wanted another additional item, then I have to open the whole liftgate again (or I guess push a button with the power feature, LOL) --- the point is, sometimes all that's needed is the liftglass, not the whole liftgate. Is it difficult to open the whole liftgate to get certain items? No, of course not, but it'd be more convenient to have a liftglass at times. It's not a critical feature though - I doubt anyone would say say "oh it doesn't have a liftglass, I'm not buying it." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 The liftglass would be handy for small items that you don't want to (or may not be able to) open the entire liftgate for. There are times I've had one small item I went to get out of the back of my Flex, I open the liftgate, get the item, then close the liftgate only to realize after it's already closed again that I wanted another additional item, then I have to open the whole liftgate again (or I guess push a button with the power feature, LOL) --- the point is, sometimes all that's needed is the liftglass, not the whole liftgate. Is it difficult to open the whole liftgate to get certain items? No, of course not, but it'd be more convenient to have a liftglass at times. It's not a critical feature though - I doubt anyone would say say "oh it doesn't have a liftglass, I'm not buying it." My point with the higher beltline is that is it really more convenient to open the lift glass and reach over? The glass is already high enough on my Edge. I imagine it is even higher on the new Explorer. Your Flex's rear glass is considerably lower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fou_bleu Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Back to the Territory... :D Does anyone think Ford will play it conservative or make a small powerhouse out of the TDV6??? Disco3 outputs are 140kW and 445Nm (187hp and 328 lb-ft) for comparisons (same 2.7L V6) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focus05 Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 So much less interesting than those sketch concepts. Looks like they retained most of the body and just upgraded the nose and rear. Aussie forum poster (Thanks to Brendan (aka. DJIntergr8) has been busy trying to remove Camoed areas to give us a feel for new Territory: PS, local pronunciation is Terra-Tree (not Terra-Tory) it rolls off the tongue easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 (edited) So much less interesting than those sketch concepts. Looks like they retained most of the body and just upgraded the nose and rear. Yap, just as I said all along. Again, this is no my first rodeo. Edited December 21, 2010 by BORG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 21, 2010 Author Share Posted December 21, 2010 (edited) Yap, just as I said all along. Again, this is no my first rodeo. But what you probably didn't know that the big push in this MCE was - upgrading the 6 year old interior - introduction of V6 diesel from Land Rover Discovery - ZF 6-speed auto transmission across the board. So while the Exterior gets a dust over, the real improvement is on the inside and also 30% increase in fuel economy over the already very efficient I-6 4.0 liter engine. Although this interior is probably not what you would expect for say the Explorer, it is still a big step up from what's there at the moment. That combined with exterior improvements and diesel option will see territory climb up through the charts in Australia. Edited December 21, 2010 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 My point with the higher beltline is that is it really more convenient to open the lift glass and reach over? The glass is already high enough on my Edge. I imagine it is even higher on the new Explorer. Your Flex's rear glass is considerably lower. You can see the people standing next to it - it may not be convenient for most stuff, but for small items it would be great, the same could really have been said about most previous liftglasses too, no? I get what you're saying, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 22, 2010 Author Share Posted December 22, 2010 Thanks to XR8320 on Australian Ford Forums for taking this shot of an exposed Territory rear quarter... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 Guess how many times we opened the glass on any of our vehicles that had it. 0. There is absolutely zero use for an opening glass. It is a good way to get dirty though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 (edited) I will say I like those wheels...the rest of the car can go back to 2001. Edited December 23, 2010 by BORG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 23, 2010 Author Share Posted December 23, 2010 I will say I like those wheels...the rest of the car can go back to 2001. From you, that's a high compliment, I know that you deride almost every other Ford you have ever seen so I take great comfort in Territory being in good company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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fou_bleu Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 Wow! :o Me likey very much in Silhouette! :D Only thing I'm not 100% on yet is the lower silver bit on the front bumper - though it'll probably grow on me... I'm also in love with the exhaust treatment, especially considering the current model was a bit too povo in that respect IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 23, 2010 Author Share Posted December 23, 2010 With a deliberate reveal like this, Ford must be ready to build in January so probably on sale in February. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fou_bleu Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 With a deliberate reveal like this, Ford must be ready to build in January so probably on sale in February. I agree - surely Ford can't be giving near $10,000 discounts on the Territory for too long: http://news.drive.com.au/drive/drive-a-bargain/fords-discount-territory-20101220-192op.html As for the taped up rear badge - that appears too long for 'Ghia' Is Titanium for real? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 23, 2010 Author Share Posted December 23, 2010 I agree - surely Ford can't be giving near $10,000 discounts on the Territory for too long: http://news.drive.co...1220-192op.html As for the taped up rear badge - that appears too long for 'Ghia' Is Titanium for real? Yeah, it seems logical that Ghia name will pass into history and be replaced by Titanium trim level. I think that has a much better appeal with younger-middle aged buyers and rejuvenate sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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