Grim Reaper Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 American Axle History repeats itself At Ford This No Vote Push Is Eerily Familiar To the Job Losses at AAM This UAW Ford agreement is taking the same death spiral to a no vote as American Axle. The UAW bargained investments in the UAW represented AAM facilities as well as bonuses and no fixed costs The AAM membership turned it down and American Axle Management decided that it wasn't worth the battle of the membership once voted down to invest billions in the UAW plants and turned to a contingency plan of sending most of the investment to Mexico History is repeating itself again at Ford. If voting “no” there is the possibility of losing many, many jobs including in zone bumping No one is safe Before anyone votes no expect a negative outcome in the form of plant closings (moving investments to Mexico and Canada) Or A lengthy strike at $200 per week and a settlement for less than what was struck in the first place Ford Motor Company is drooling of a strike for history will repeat itself They are ready to put us out for a long time Voter beware 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skilled1 Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 American Axle History repeats itself At Ford This No Vote Push Is Eerily Familiar To the Job Losses at AAM This UAW Ford agreement is taking the same death spiral to a no vote as American Axle. The UAW bargained investments in the UAW represented AAM facilities as well as bonuses and no fixed costs The AAM membership turned it down and American Axle Management decided that it wasn't worth the battle of the membership once voted down to invest billions in the UAW plants and turned to a contingency plan of sending most of the investment to Mexico History is repeating itself again at Ford. If voting “no” there is the possibility of losing many, many jobs including in zone bumping No one is safe Before anyone votes no expect a negative outcome in the form of plant closings (moving investments to Mexico and Canada) Or A lengthy strike at $200 per week and a settlement for less than what was struck in the first place Ford Motor Company is drooling of a strike for history will repeat itself They are ready to put us out for a long time Voter beware Scary comparison, true and a real possibility of happening again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lackanookey Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 American Axle History repeats itself At Ford This No Vote Push Is Eerily Familiar To the Job Losses at AAM This UAW Ford agreement is taking the same death spiral to a no vote as American Axle. The UAW bargained investments in the UAW represented AAM facilities as well as bonuses and no fixed costs The AAM membership turned it down and American Axle Management decided that it wasn't worth the battle of the membership once voted down to invest billions in the UAW plants and turned to a contingency plan of sending most of the investment to Mexico History is repeating itself again at Ford. If voting “no” there is the possibility of losing many, many jobs including in zone bumping No one is safe Before anyone votes no expect a negative outcome in the form of plant closings (moving investments to Mexico and Canada) Or A lengthy strike at $200 per week and a settlement for less than what was struck in the first place Ford Motor Company is drooling of a strike for history will repeat itself They are ready to put us out for a long time Voter beware True! Mexican workers would gladly build the new Fusion and whatever else Ford chooses to send to Mexico, or Canada for that matter!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empire Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 We reap what we sow and this has American Axle DNA all over it. A no vote will be our downfall 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iam2tier Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 Ford won't send any more product outside the US if they know what's good for them, remember we the workers scratch the monkey's back. I will not buy a car from the company I work for that is sending jobs outside the US, in an economy that is so bad right now with millions out of work especially from my own company that got rich on my givebacks then won't give'em back. If all the membership is voting no we can't all be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empire Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 American Axle History repeats itself At Ford This No Vote Push Is Eerily Familiar To the Job Losses at AAM This UAW Ford agreement is taking the same death spiral to a no vote as American Axle. The UAW bargained investments in the UAW represented AAM facilities as well as bonuses and no fixed costs The AAM membership turned it down and American Axle Management decided that it wasn't worth the battle of the membership once voted down to invest billions in the UAW plants and turned to a contingency plan of sending most of the investment to Mexico History is repeating itself again at Ford. If voting “no” there is the possibility of losing many, many jobs including in zone bumping No one is safe Before anyone votes no expect a negative outcome in the form of plant closings (moving investments to Mexico and Canada) Or A lengthy strike at $200 per week and a settlement for less than what was struck in the first place Ford Motor Company is drooling of a strike for history will repeat itself They are ready to put us out for a long time Voter beware Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildosvt Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 If all the membership is voting no we can't all be wrong. Who's bluff are we calling then? The companies? Or our own? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lackanookey Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 Ford won't send any more product outside the US if they know what's good for them, remember we the workers scratch the monkey's back. I will not buy a car from the company I work for that is sending jobs outside the US, in an economy that is so bad right now with millions out of work especially from my own company that got rich on my givebacks then won't give'em back. If all the membership is voting no we can't all be wrong. You idiot!!! Ford is making money, but they are still heavily in debt!!! "Ford won't send any more product outside the US if they know what's good for them." Mulally could care less if you ever buy another Ford vehicle!! The number of sales they would gain by locking you out would more than make up for your lost sale!!! Get a clue!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empire Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 Who's bluff are we calling then? The companies? Or our own? I believe the company wants a strike, they will benefit the most as we will end up with less like the american axle debacle, job less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatorman925 Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 American Axle History repeats itself At Ford This No Vote Push Is Eerily Familiar To the Job Losses at AAM This UAW Ford agreement is taking the same death spiral to a no vote as American Axle. The UAW bargained investments in the UAW represented AAM facilities as well as bonuses and no fixed costs The AAM membership turned it down and American Axle Management decided that it wasn't worth the battle of the membership once voted down to invest billions in the UAW plants and turned to a contingency plan of sending most of the investment to Mexico History is repeating itself again at Ford. If voting “no” there is the possibility of losing many, many jobs including in zone bumping No one is safe Before anyone votes no expect a negative outcome in the form of plant closings (moving investments to Mexico and Canada) Or A lengthy strike at $200 per week and a settlement for less than what was struck in the first place Ford Motor Company is drooling of a strike for history will repeat itself They are ready to put us out for a long time Voter beware If we dont vote no we will all be making 19 dollars an hour after the 2 tier outnumber us. Quit giving in to the company and grow some balls. A NO vote here! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trailfndr Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 American Axle History repeats itself At Ford This No Vote Push Is Eerily Familiar To the Job Losses at AAM This UAW Ford agreement is taking the same death spiral to a no vote as American Axle. The UAW bargained investments in the UAW represented AAM facilities as well as bonuses and no fixed costs The AAM membership turned it down and American Axle Management decided that it wasn't worth the battle of the membership once voted down to invest billions in the UAW plants and turned to a contingency plan of sending most of the investment to Mexico History is repeating itself again at Ford. If voting “no” there is the possibility of losing many, many jobs including in zone bumping No one is safe Before anyone votes no expect a negative outcome in the form of plant closings (moving investments to Mexico and Canada) Or A lengthy strike at $200 per week and a settlement for less than what was struck in the first place Ford Motor Company is drooling of a strike for history will repeat itself They are ready to put us out for a long time Voter beware You missed the entire main reason that AMA went on strike.... Company wanted a nearly 50% PAY CUT....Yep...I would have walked on that one also, and SO WOULD YOU. If you are going to compare things...make sure you use apples to apples, and stop picking and choosing which parts you want to use in your comparisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharp Shooter Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 American Axle History repeats itself At Ford This No Vote Push Is Eerily Familiar To the Job Losses at AAM This UAW Ford agreement is taking the same death spiral to a no vote as American Axle. The UAW bargained investments in the UAW represented AAM facilities as well as bonuses and no fixed costs The AAM membership turned it down and American Axle Management decided that it wasn't worth the battle of the membership once voted down to invest billions in the UAW plants and turned to a contingency plan of sending most of the investment to Mexico History is repeating itself again at Ford. If voting “no” there is the possibility of losing many, many jobs including in zone bumping No one is safe Before anyone votes no expect a negative outcome in the form of plant closings (moving investments to Mexico and Canada) Or A lengthy strike at $200 per week and a settlement for less than what was struck in the first place Ford Motor Company is drooling of a strike for history will repeat itself They are ready to put us out for a long time Voter beware A former neighbor worked at American Axle. He doesn't work there anymore. Claims it was all due to the strike and the memberships greed. A bunch of NO voters destroyed their own jobs and shipped work to Mexico. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louie Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 A former neighbor worked at American Axle. He doesn't work there anymore. Claims it was all due to the strike and the memberships greed. A bunch of NO voters destroyed their own jobs and shipped work to Mexico. Yes, American Axle did not have to hire scabs, they just moved everything to Mexico. Over 1,000 went on strike and turned down millions in investments and are now permanently replaced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len_A Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 You missed the entire main reason that AMA went on strike.... Company wanted a nearly 50% PAY CUT....Yep...I would have walked on that one also, and SO WOULD YOU. If you are going to compare things...make sure you use apples to apples, and stop picking and choosing which parts you want to use in your comparisions. On the one hand maybe you & I would walk, but on the other hand, what do they have? Nothing in most cases. Talk about a situation where you have to evaluate if half a loaf is better than none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dividedwebeg Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 American Axle History repeats itself At Ford This No Vote Push Is Eerily Familiar To the Job Losses at AAM This UAW Ford agreement is taking the same death spiral to a no vote as American Axle. The UAW bargained investments in the UAW represented AAM facilities as well as bonuses and no fixed costs The AAM membership turned it down and American Axle Management decided that it wasn't worth the battle of the membership once voted down to invest billions in the UAW plants and turned to a contingency plan of sending most of the investment to Mexico History is repeating itself again at Ford. If voting “no” there is the possibility of losing many, many jobs including in zone bumping No one is safe Before anyone votes no expect a negative outcome in the form of plant closings (moving investments to Mexico and Canada) Or A lengthy strike at $200 per week and a settlement for less than what was struck in the first place Ford Motor Company is drooling of a strike for history will repeat itself They are ready to put us out for a long time Voter beware We are heading into the danger zone No control of our futures if this contract is voted down, Settles called out for a strike and he will strike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armstrong Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 We are heading into the danger zone No control of our futures if this contract is voted down, Settles called out for a strike and he will strike The ones pushing a no vote will be the first to cross the picket line. When we go on strike I will borrow, beg for money to keep from losing my house and car from creditors: for the $200 per week will not be enough to sustain a 2 month strike. Many more in my position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper Posted October 13, 2011 Author Share Posted October 13, 2011 (edited) A former neighbor worked at American Axle. He doesn't work there anymore. Claims it was all due to the strike and the memberships greed. A bunch of NO voters destroyed their own jobs and shipped work to Mexico. We are following the same path as American Axle Manufacturing,,,, vote no on tentative,,,,, go on strike,,,,, settle for less than the current tentative,,,, lose job. Pretty scary considering this is a damned good agreement Edited October 13, 2011 by Grim Reaper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 American Axle History repeats itself At Ford This No Vote Push Is Eerily Familiar To the Job Losses at AAM This UAW Ford agreement is taking the same death spiral to a no vote as American Axle. The UAW bargained investments in the UAW represented AAM facilities as well as bonuses and no fixed costs The AAM membership turned it down and American Axle Management decided that it wasn't worth the battle of the membership once voted down to invest billions in the UAW plants and turned to a contingency plan of sending most of the investment to Mexico History is repeating itself again at Ford. If voting “no” there is the possibility of losing many, many jobs including in zone bumping No one is safe Before anyone votes no expect a negative outcome in the form of plant closings (moving investments to Mexico and Canada) Or A lengthy strike at $200 per week and a settlement for less than what was struck in the first place Ford Motor Company is drooling of a strike for history will repeat itself They are ready to put us out for a long time Voter beware What I remember about American Axle most is how the bastards wanted the people to take a 50% pay cut and little or no benefits..... Oh and a rep by the name of Jimmy Settles, right? Ford drooling...?? how much profit rings up when one F150 rolls off the money line? Ever wonder how much is profit when a Focus roll out the plant? Those new Explorer might bring a buck or two of profit... and on and on... Now I know Ford is more than willing to turn the money spickets off just to help you be so scairrr eeee Mr. Reaper .... I think the real thing that has me scared is the IUAW threatening its members with not going back to the table if "their" agreement is turned down. What the hell happened to "our" agreement? Decker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine Man Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 We are following the same path as American Axle Manufacturing,,,, vote no on tentative,,,,, go on strike,,,,, settle for less than the current tentative,,,, lose job. Pretty scary considering this is a damned good agreement I can see the work promised from Mexico, Japan and China not coming here if this is voted down. So, that will mean a few of our UAW US plants will be closing. So sad and over what? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dividedwebeg Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 We are following the same path as American Axle Manufacturing,,,, vote no on tentative,,,,, go on strike,,,,, settle for less than the current tentative,,,, lose job. Pretty scary considering this is a damned good agreement Yes, a mirror image of what happened in 2008 at American Axle, if this agreement goes down we will be worse off and the company will come out ahead We will lose product and wages as well as jobs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dividedwebeg Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 The ones pushing a no vote will be the first to cross the picket line. When we go on strike I will borrow, beg for money to keep from losing my house and car from creditors: for the $200 per week will not be enough to sustain a 2 month strike. Many more in my position We certainly will see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4Real? Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Yes, a mirror image of what happened in 2008 at American Axle, if this agreement goes down we will be worse off and the company will come out ahead We will lose product and wages as well as jobs I am guessing the plants that are full with product now and think they are good will also get screwed down the road. Ford can be very vindictive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary_walkowicz Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 I am guessing the plants that are full with product now and think they are good will also get screwed down the road. Ford can be very vindictive. I'm not scared of Mulally getting vindictive. Look at his history. Every time a union has stood up to him, he has caved. Oh...wait... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine Man Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I'm not scared of Mulally getting vindictive. Look at his history. Every time a union has stood up to him, he has caved. Oh...wait... Gary, you still have no clue what you are talking about. Didn't Mulally crush the Machinists Union? And he replaced them--what was it, Mulally replaced 40,000 union workers at Boeing? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empire Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 American Axle is a good example of what could happen when things spiral out of control, similar to what is happening now in Ford. Once this happens the company has full control of our futures. A no vote puts us in a bad bargaining position. A simple lockout for a month or two will bust our weakest into agreeing to less than what we are voting on now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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