Thank Obama and Granholm for Ethanol

[bobbyd]

You will notice that your local gas stations in Michigan no longer post if their gas has ETHANOL on the side of their pumps. Ex Gov Granholm mandated that removal before she left us with our deficit. If you have a newer vehicle..including any gas engine (lawnmower, etc..)...you should be OK. However, older engines will be affected and it will possibly ruin the fuel lines since Ethanol has extreme additives that will eat the lines.

My friend's weed wacker is ruined because of the ethanol...and that was the Stihl mechanic who advised him. There are additives you can add to the gas to avoid the problem. Mobil and Shell and BP did not use the Ethanol until late last year. As time goes on, people with older engines will be affected. 'You Tube' has a lot of examples of additives to use to prevent problems. Guess what...Obama, if re-elected, vows to up the Ethanol content from 10% to a new mandated 15%! Warning ! Danger Will Robinson!

(Please...I don't want to hear the rebuttals from the Obama Lovers!)

[SVTCobra]

New York has used E10 exclusively for a few years now, but we still have stickers on the pumps.

AFAIK, E15 was already approved for use.

 

There are definitely two sides to every arguement. I am an Obama supporter and I am NOT in favor of E15. My older (2001 and 2004) vehicles' fuel systems probably won't take too well to it.

[FordBuyer]

I'm noticing more and more new Focuses sporting flex fuel badges on tailgate and trunk lids. That must be recent where Ford starting making 2.0 I4 flex fuel engines. Usually it was only 3.0 and 3.5 V6's and trucks. I've used 10% ethanol gas on my 2002 Taurus since new and no problems. Not every tankful, but certainly many. The old Clark stations and many others have been using ethanol blends for decades.

[Noah Harbinger]

What, you mean the 2007 Energy Independence and Security Act? You know, signed into law by George W. Bush?

 

 

(Please...I don't want to hear the rebuttals from the Obama Lovers!)

 

Wow, at least you ADMIT you have no interest in facts, unlike 99% of Republicans. Kudos for being so honest!

[aneekr]

I'm noticing more and more new Focuses sporting flex fuel badges on tailgate and trunk lids.

 

One revision for Job 2 MY 2012 Focus was the addition of E85 flex-fuel capability. All such Focus models built since March 2012 and sold in non CARB states (i.e., those without PZEV emissions certification) can use any blend of gasoline & ethanol up to E85.

 

2013 MY Focus (with the exception of ST and PZEV models) will continue to be flex-fuel capable.

[FordBuyer]

What, you mean the 2007 Energy Independence and Security Act? You know, signed into law by George W. Bush?

 

 

 

 

Wow, at least you ADMIT you have no interest in facts, unlike 99% of Republicans. Kudos for being so honest!

 

The Republicans have also been subsidizing farmers NOT to grow crops for decades and for that reason most farmers are Republicans. Most of my family years and years ago were farmers and almost all staunch Republicans. If the Democrats did that, it's called Socialism, and if the Republicans do it, it's called less government. Same with defense, if the Democrats cut the military, they are communists, and if the Republicans throw billions upon billions at the defense industry for boondoggle projects and $5,000 toilet seats, it's call limited government.

[papilgee4evaeva]

Shell? Shell has used ethanol for years now, at least in Maryland and Georgia.

 

And is this supposed to be an automotive thread or a political one?

[FordBuyer]

Shell? Shell has used ethanol for years now, at least in Maryland and Georgia.

 

And is this supposed to be an automotive thread or a political one?

 

Didn't you know? Every subject is political now. I can't read the comment section about anything without it being related to that Socialist, Marxist Obama. And I mean anything. As for me, I'm an Independent, and have voted for both parties in presidential election years, and fed up with hypocrisy on both sides. Following politics now is like studying a dysfunctinal family where everyone is right and no one wrong. Now of course I'm the worst of all since I have no faith in a dogmatic, idealogical, non pragmatic, common sense philosophy. We should all be burned at the stake. I believe we were called fence sitters in historic times or now the hated word...BIPARTISAN.

[bobbyd]

I just knew those Demos would crawl out of their caves. Time for an educated response. The 2007 Energy Act was first promoted by Nancy Pelosi (D)...passed by the "Democratically Controlled House and Senate!" Bush could not overturn a 2/3 or more Democratic Controlled vote. The Ethanol mandate had until 2022 to take full effect. As of last month Obama is aggressively pushing a "full press" on Ethanol without congressional approval....Hmmm...sounds like what he did to the private hospitals a month or so ago!

Please Demos....no more baloney. Not only did your team propose it and pass it...now Obama's team wants to INCREASE IT! Same Demos who want wind farms and solar energy panels from China. Hey, save the birds and stop the imported panels. Good Ole crude is best! Corn is for food and not for ruining our engines!

[papilgee4evaeva]

Didn't you know? Every subject is political now. I can't read the comment section about anything without it being related to that Socialist, Marxist Obama. And I mean anything. As for me, I'm an Independent, and have voted for both parties in presidential election years, and fed up with hypocrisy on both sides. Following politics now is like studying a dysfunctinal family where everyone is right and no one wrong. Now of course I'm the worst of all since I have no faith in a dogmatic, idealogical, non pragmatic, common sense philosophy. We should all be burned at the stake. I believe we were called fence sitters in historic times or now the hated word...BIPARTISAN.

 

Or just as bad, "nonpartisan."

 

Anyway, topics like this are why I completely avoid the "off topic discussion" forum here. I find healthier political discussion on Facebook, for cryin' out loud.

 

For the record, I also disagree with increasing ethanol in our gasoline. But I prefer to talk about it from an automotive standpoint, with only minimal lipservice paid to Capitol Hill.

[FordBuyer]

I just knew those Demos would crawl out of their caves. Time for an educated response. The 2007 Energy Act was first promoted by Nancy Pelosi (D)...passed by the "Democratically Controlled House and Senate!" Bush could not overturn a 2/3 or more Democratic Controlled vote. The Ethanol mandate had until 2022 to take full effect. As of last month Obama is aggressively pushing a "full press" on Ethanol without congressional approval....Hmmm...sounds like what he did to the private hospitals a month or so ago!

Please Demos....no more baloney. Not only did your team propose it and pass it...now Obama's team wants to INCREASE IT! Same Demos who want wind farms and solar energy panels from China. Hey, save the birds and stop the imported panels. Good Ole crude is best! Corn is for food and not for ruining our engines!

 

RAH, RAH, RAH...bring back leaded paint, asbestos, DDT that killed off the Eagle, leaded fuel, acid rain, belching factories on every other corner, and increase toxic waste sites contaminating everything including our food and water supply. Endanger the whole fricking planet and call it naturual climate chage. Sure, environmentalists can go too far, but it seems to find a proper level over time and makes are lives better for it. Not sure on corn based ethanol as it does affect food prices and supply, but I'm no expert on it and will defer to those who insist they are experts. However, I would like my next daily driver Ford to be flex fueled and thanks Aneekr for the info as I thought I was seeing things on rear end of new Focuses.

[retro-man]

Obama supporter here. Love solar and wind. Like the electric cars (if I could afford one.) Also love the Shelby 1000 (I'm a bundle of contradictions). Never been a fan of ethanol. From what I have read it does have certain effects on older engines - particularly the fuel systems, it decreases engine power, and is not worth the energy it takes to grow and transport it for what it supposedly reduces in crude oil consumption. And it impacts food prices. I've always seen it as just another farm subsidy. Regardless of who passed it or promoted it.

[Noah Harbinger]

I just knew those Demos would crawl out of their caves. Time for an educated response. The 2007 Energy Act was first promoted by Nancy Pelosi (D)...passed by the "Democratically Controlled House and Senate!" Bush could not overturn a 2/3 or more Democratic Controlled vote. The Ethanol mandate had until 2022 to take full effect. As of last month Obama is aggressively pushing a "full press" on Ethanol without congressional approval....Hmmm...sounds like what he did to the private hospitals a month or so ago!

Please Demos....no more baloney. Not only did your team propose it and pass it...now Obama's team wants to INCREASE IT! Same Demos who want wind farms and solar energy panels from China. Hey, save the birds and stop the imported panels. Good Ole crude is best! Corn is for food and not for ruining our engines!

 

Say, what year did Democrats have a 2/3rd majority in either the Senate or House?

 

*crickets*

 

So that means what now about your precious DEFENDERS OF LIBERTY republicans?

 

Also, the bill was introduced by a representative from COMMIE PINK LIBERAL WEST VIRGINIA.

 

Now of course I fully agree ethanol is a dead end policy bought and paid for by midwest farmers looking to buffer their crops. But historically they've had mostly Republicans in their pockets. That's why Ethanol is the only "alternative energy" that can get bipartisan support.

 

Modern windmills have larger, slower turning blades that don't kill as many birds. And who cares where the solar panels come from if they're generating clean, safe electricity here?

[aneekr]

However, I would like my next daily driver Ford to be flex fueled and thanks Aneekr for the info as I thought I was seeing things on rear end of new Focuses.

 

You're welcome FordBuyer.

 

To keep this thread Ford Motor Company related, here is a summary of E85 flex-fuel compatible Fords sold in the U.S (2012 MY vehicles unless otherwise indicated):

• E-Series 4.6L & 5.4L
  
• Escape 3.0L
  
• Expedition 5.4L
  
• 2013 Explorer 3.5L
  
• F-150 3.7L & 5.0L
  
• F-250, F-350 6.2L
  
• Focus 2.0L (Job 2 vehicles; not available with PZEV/SULEV emissions)
  
• Fusion 3.0L
  
• Navigator 5.4L
  
• 2013 Taurus 3.5L (normally aspirated)
  
• 2013 Police Interceptor sedan 3.5L (normally aspirated)
  
• 2013 Police Interceptor utility 3.7L
  

For all other gasoline powered Ford vehicles, the manufacturer fuel recommendation is "only use UNLEADED fuel or UNLEADED fuel blended with a maximum of 10% ethanol."

[papilgee4evaeva]

Interesting. I wonder what the list looks like for all other companies. Especially Japanese and South Korean ones.

[aneekr]

Interesting. I wonder what the list looks like for all other companies. Especially Japanese and South Korean ones.

 

Somewhat amusingly, Ford has three times as many FFV models as those for ALL Japanese and South Korean nameplates combined. The latter quantity can be counted with the fingers on one hand.

• Nissan Armada 5.6L (non CARB states)
  
• Nissan Titan 5.6L (non CARB states)
  
• Toyota Tundra 5.7L (4x4 models, non CARB states)
  
• Toyota Sequoia 5.7L (4x4 models, non CARB states)
  

Indeed, with the exception of these and a few products from Bentley and Mercedes-Benz, the market for E85 compatible FFVs in the U.S. is entirely the domain of General Motors, Ford, and Chrysler.

Edited May 16, 2012 by aneekr

[pictor]

I don't know about the rest of you but this topic should be moved as this is not a Ford specific, This is just some angry man spreading and his rambling non-sense.

[aneekr]

I don't know about the rest of you but this topic should be moved as this is not a Ford specific, This is just some angry man spreading and his rambling non-sense.

 

The moderators fortunately have moved the thread to where it belongs - the Off Topic Discussion area.

[papilgee4evaeva]

Somewhat amusingly, Ford has three times as many FFV models as those for ALL Japanese and South Korean nameplates combined. The latter quantity can be counted with the fingers on one hand.

• Nissan Armada 5.6L (non CARB states)
  
• Nissan Titan 5.6L (non CARB states)
  
• Toyota Tundra 5.7L (4x4 models, non CARB states)
  
• Toyota Sequoia 5.7L (4x4 models, non CARB states)
  

Indeed, with the exception of these and a few products from Bentley and Mercedes-Benz, the market for E85 compatible FFVs in the U.S. is entirely the domain of General Motors, Ford, and Chrysler.

 

So basically, all big trucks. :P Therefore, no Honda, Hyundai, Kia, Mazda, or Subaru.

 

Looks like the Americans are ahead of the game insofar as non-truck FFV. Too bad E85 sucks at efficiency.

 

The moderators fortunately have moved the thread to where it belongs - the Off Topic Discussion area.

 

 

That could be a good or bad thing. I'll stay subscribed to see where it goes.

[timmm55]

 

(Please...I don't want to hear the rebuttals from the Obama Lovers!)

 

This is of topic, and of course you don't want a rebuttal, you're a Republican!

Throw whatever BS out there, blame Obama see if it sticks, move on.

(it's a state's issue, not national)

[MY93SHO]

I just knew those Demos would crawl out of their caves. Time for an educated response. The 2007 Energy Act was first promoted by Nancy Pelosi (D)...passed by the "Democratically Controlled House and Senate!" Bush could not overturn a 2/3 or more Democratic Controlled vote. The Ethanol mandate had until 2022 to take full effect. As of last month Obama is aggressively pushing a "full press" on Ethanol without congressional approval....Hmmm...sounds like what he did to the private hospitals a month or so ago!

Please Demos....no more baloney. Not only did your team propose it and pass it...now Obama's team wants to INCREASE IT! Same Demos who want wind farms and solar energy panels from China. Hey, save the birds and stop the imported panels. Good Ole crude is best! Corn is for food and not for ruining our engines!

 

I can remember my friends putting ethanol in their motorcycles when I was 14 years old, that was 1978.

 

Yeah, when Barry was 16 he had it all planned out.

 

Take your trolling crap somewhere else. If you don't like the responses you can always STFU.

 

Before you call me a dirty Dem I've always been a registered Republican. I just don't believe putting frosting on a cowpie makes it cake.

 

Maybe you should stick to posting on Yahoo forums, they're full of Faux News idiots.

Edited May 17, 2012 by MY93SHO

[Mark B. Morrow]

I just knew those Demos would crawl out of their caves. Time for an educated response. The 2007 Energy Act was first promoted by Nancy Pelosi (D)...passed by the "Democratically Controlled House and Senate!" Bush could not overturn a 2/3 or more Democratic Controlled vote. The Ethanol mandate had until 2022 to take full effect. As of last month Obama is aggressively pushing a "full press" on Ethanol without congressional approval....Hmmm...sounds like what he did to the private hospitals a month or so ago!

Please Demos....no more baloney. Not only did your team propose it and pass it...now Obama's team wants to INCREASE IT! Same Demos who want wind farms and solar energy panels from China. Hey, save the birds and stop the imported panels. Good Ole crude is best! Corn is for food and not for ruining our engines!

 

You mean the law that George W. Bush signed saying the following:

 

"One of the most serious long-term challenges facing our country is dependence on oil -- especially oil from foreign lands. It's a serious challenge. And members of Congress up here understand the challenge and so do I. Because this dependence harms us economically through high and volatile prices at the gas pump; dependence creates pollution and contributes to greenhouse gas admissions [sic]. It threatens our national security by making us vulnerable to hostile regimes in unstable regions of the world. It makes us vulnerable to terrorists who might attack oil infrastructure.

The legislation I am signing today will address our vulnerabilities and our dependence in two important ways. First, it will increase the supply of alternative fuel sources. Proposed an alternative fuel standard earlier this year. This standard would require fuel producers to include a certain amount of alternative fuels in their products. This standard would create new markets for foreign products used to produce these fuels. This standard would increase our energy security by making us less vulnerable to instability -- to the instability of oil prices on the world market."

 

"The bill I sign today takes a significant step because it will require fuel producers to use at least 36 billion gallons of biofuel in 2022. This is nearly a fivefold increase over current levels. It will help us diversify our energy supplies and reduce our dependence on oil. It's an important part of this legislation, and I thank the members of Congress for your wisdom. (Applause.)"

 

http://georgewbush-w...20071219-6.html

 

The one that passed with Bi-Partisan support?

• Passed the House on January 18, 2007 (264 - 163)
  2007 House of Representatives
  Democratic Party: 233 members.
  Republican Party: 202 members.
  
• 
  
• 
  
• Passed the Senate on June 21, 2007 (65 - 27)
  
• 
  
• 2007 Senate
  
• Democratic Party: 49 members.
  Republican Party: 49 members.
  Independents: 2 members
  

2/3s Majority? Not so much.

 

 

If you want to post poorly researched opinion, please don't tell me not to respond and correct you.

Edited May 17, 2012 by Mark B. Morrow

[Fordowner]

I wonder if he heard that stuff from Rush, Sean or Herman?

 

I thought they recently phased out some of the subsidy for corn and are now focused on algae and switchgrass since I agree the use of corn for energy is not exactly energy efficient, though it does lessen our dependence on foreign oil which is a good thing, and thus in fhe process gives American farmers more money to hopefully buy more Fords.

[theoldwizard]

Somewhat amusingly, Ford has three times as many FFV models as those for ALL Japanese and South Korean nameplates combined.

Because Ford has figured out how to make a FFV easily (i.e. inexpensively) and they get boat loads of CAFE "credits" for doing so.

 

Who cares if almost NO ONE in the the US uses E85 !