papilgee4evaeva Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 LENGTH: Explorer: 197.1 Grand Cherokee: 189.8 WHEELBASE: Explorer: 112.6 Grand Cherokee: 114.8 I'll bet you a shiny new nickel that most of that extra Explorer length can be found in the overhangs. :reading: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 I'll bet you a shiny new nickel that most of that extra Explorer length can be found in the overhangs. :reading: That's kinda obvious given GC's shorter overall length and longer wheelbase.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted July 25, 2012 Author Share Posted July 25, 2012 I like your rendering... Very cool, it does make me wonder what has happened to this product. Again no sign of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 That's kinda obvious given GC's shorter overall length and longer wheelbase.. Right, so as far as useful dimensions, they're pretty much the same size fore-aft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Very cool, it does make me wonder what has happened to this product. Again no sign of it. I wouldn't really expect to see too many signs of it really. They can use Escapes for most of the testing, so there likely isn't much need for a lot of grueling road miles on prototypes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted July 25, 2012 Author Share Posted July 25, 2012 I wouldn't really expect to see too many signs of it really. They can use Escapes for most of the testing, so there likely isn't much need for a lot of grueling road miles on prototypes. Well, we've been seeing prototypes for the 2013 F-150 for a year, and all they did was change a grill. The MKG is more significant than that of course. I'm just disturbed by the lack of any new Lincoln mules/prototypes running around. That just means we are at least a year away from anything hitting the lots besides the MKZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 (edited) Well, we've been seeing prototypes for the 2013 F-150 for a year, and all they did was change a grill. The MKG is more significant than that of course. I'm just disturbed by the lack of any new Lincoln mules/prototypes running around. That just means we are at least a year away from anything hitting the lots besides the MKZ. Don't get your panties in a bunch... To refresh your memory: This: Became this: All with in a year and half... Edited July 25, 2012 by silvrsvt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted July 26, 2012 Author Share Posted July 26, 2012 Don't get your panties in a bunch... To refresh your memory: This: Became this: All with in a year and half... So where is the Escape mule for Lincoln? The Focus didn't go on sale for a more than a year after it's debut btw. So in reality, we had been seeing it for 2+ years before we actually could buy one. I'm just saying that unless we start seeing something, we could be years away from an MKG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 Well, we've been seeing prototypes for the 2013 F-150 for a year, and all they did was change a grill. The MKG is more significant than that of course. I'm just disturbed by the lack of any new Lincoln mules/prototypes running around. That just means we are at least a year away from anything hitting the lots besides the MKZ. I could be wrong, but I suspect you will see the new MKEscape at this season's auto show circuit and production starting at LAP sometime late spring. So about a year or so as a 2014 model. Ford is rather busy this year with its two major launches, and then it can focus more on the Lincoln version of Escape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 So where is the Escape mule for Lincoln? Where you can't see it. Good security. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 The Focus didn't go on sale for a more than a year after it's debut btw. No it didn't...it was shown at the 2010 NAIAS, and went into production later that year http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=31755 So in reality, we had been seeing it for 2+ years before we actually could buy one. I'm just saying that unless we start seeing something, we could be years away from an MKG. How much has to be really changed on it? Just because we haven't seen it, doesn't mean its not being worked on. Lets see what Auto Show season brings us later this year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 (edited) How late did 2013 MKZ prototypes start showing up after the first 2013 Fusion mules? Quite a bit longer than the gap in eventual production launches if memory serves. Remember that none of the "mule" work will really need to be done for the MK"G". All of that was done already for the Escape. We'll see body, powertrain, and interior component testing and that should really be about it -- and all of the powertrain testing could be done with Escapes. Edited July 26, 2012 by NickF1011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 No it didn't...it was shown at the 2010 NAIAS, and went into production later that year http://media.ford.co...rticle_id=31755 How much has to be really changed on it? Just because we haven't seen it, doesn't mean its not being worked on. Lets see what Auto Show season brings us later this year... My bet is still on late spring 2013 for shipping of Lincoln version as 2014 model. And debut at NAIAS or NYC show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 How late did 2013 MKZ prototypes start showing up after the first 2013 Fusion mules? Earliest I can tell is September 2011..I forget about when we started seeing the First 2013 Fusion prototypes. So its been less then a year since we saw the first prototypes of the MKZ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 Earliest I can tell is September 2011..I forget about when we started seeing the First 2013 Fusion prototypes. So its been less then a year since we saw the first prototypes of the MKZ... Notice I said Fusion mules, not prototypes. I'm pretty certain Fusion mules were running around with old Mondeo bodies on them well before then. Point is that most or all of that early mule testing doesn't have to occur for a vehicle that is only a reskin of something that has already been thoroughly tested and engineered for production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 Notice I said Fusion mules, not prototypes. I'm pretty certain Fusion mules were running around with old Mondeo bodies on them well before then. Point is that most or all of that early mule testing doesn't have to occur for a vehicle that is only a reskin of something that has already been thoroughly tested and engineered for production. April of 2011 LOL http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2013-ford-fusion-spy-photos-news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 How late did 2013 MKZ prototypes start showing up after the first 2013 Fusion mules? Quite a bit longer than the gap in eventual production launches if memory serves. Remember that none of the "mule" work will really need to be done for the MK"G". All of that was done already for the Escape. We'll see body, powertrain, and interior component testing and that should really be about it -- and all of the powertrain testing could be done with Escapes. And the prototypes that did show up had a totally different grille. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKII Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 I read the Lincoln C-489 (MKG as some call it) will be MY2014. Is it possible that Ford is using that funky looking Grand C-Max that was recently spied as the mule for the C-489? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 (edited) ^ just imho, MKII, I think/hope that looooooong C-Max has to be something other than the MKuGa - tho I don't have any idea what. ...That just means we are at least a year away from anything hitting the lots besides the MKZ. the online document I saw says Q4 2013 for the MKuGa's Job1 & now I'm wondering if Lincoln will do *exactly* what they did with the Z: 'concept' at coming NAIAS production at NYC preliminary configurator July 2013 & re: the first Z spyshots, the earliest photo in my CD4 folder is a camo'ed Fusion, downloaded Aug 5, 2011, the earliest camo'ed Z is Sept 19, 2011, and I remember some confusion ...it being called a Taurus on Oct 18 (Jalopnik) and an MKS on Oct 19 (no watermark)... until a Z testcar with the new MKS/MKT skinny-slat grille was shot (Nov 12, 2011 Automobilemag), less than 2 months before the first official Z CGI on Jan 9, 2012 (tho there were 2 mostly 'draped' Z clay tail shots with Max Wolff & Mr. Kuzak released on Dec 2, 2011) Edited July 26, 2012 by 2b2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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