NLPRacing Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Wave of additional models could follow if MKZ clicks.- Article from The Detroit Bureau Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 I believe 'Sooner LS' called out the Mustang in another thread. I am looking forward to see where this goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 They are saying the new MKS will be out in 2014? Bit sooner then what I was expecting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 (edited) I believe 'Sooner LS' called out the Mustang in another thread. I am looking forward to see where this goes. I posted the screen cap, but it was wildosvt and MKII with the eagle eyes to pick it out in the first place. I've not been particularly impressed with anything I've ever heard come out of Paul Eisenstein's mouth (it usually required a rather large shaker of salt, IMHO), but I certainly hope that this quote form the article is accurate: "Rear-wheel-drive is definitely in the works," one of Ford’s top executives confirmed in a background conversation with TheDetroitBureau.com. Edited December 3, 2012 by SoonerLS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 They are saying the new MKS will be out in 2014? Bit sooner then what I was expecting... In 2014 as a 2015...seems to be the timeframe we've all been assuming for awhile. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 (edited) Rumor MKS was begun less than 12 months ago, allow three years development on CD4 platform, maybe spring 2015 as a 2016 model. There could be confusion internally as help possibly being extended to FoA products is misconstrued as a Ford NA projects, this would make it look like Ford NA is working on RWDs for its own use... Edited December 3, 2012 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerM Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 If rear-wheel-drive is a luxury-car-buyer requirement for a proper luxury car, then how does Audi survive? I don't question the notion of tradition as it applies to an American luxury car buyer, and maybe that's the point. But it seems to me (not that I'm a luxury car buyer) if you make a really good luxury car and can sell it at a competitive price, and are willing to bend over backwards when it comes to service, then you'll be successful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 (edited) If rear-wheel-drive is a luxury-car-buyer requirement for a proper luxury car, then how does Audi survive? By making its dealers buy the cars and sell them as used? :bag: Personally, I don't think RWD is a requirement, but I do hope they'll bring it back, and I do think they'll need to add a coupe at some point (though not necessarily any time soon). Edited December 3, 2012 by SoonerLS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Rumor MKS was begun less than 12 months ago, allow three years development on CD4 platform, maybe spring 2015 as a 2016 model. There could be confusion internally as help possibly being extended to FoA products is misconstrued as a Ford NA projects, this would make it look like Ford NA is working on RWDs for its own use... Well one thing this article totally missed...no mention what so ever of the MKX...which should be out in 2014 or so. I forsee the Taurus/MKS and Edge/MKX sharing platforms, with a 3 row varient for the Explorer and hopefully Lincolized Explorer to replace the MKT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 And of course there's the whole Luxury Utility genre that Lincoln is barely exploiting with MKX and Navigator...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 (edited) Well one thing this article totally missed...no mention what so ever of the MKX...which should be out in 2014 or so. I forsee the Taurus/MKS and Edge/MKX sharing platforms, with a 3 row varient for the Explorer and hopefully Lincolized Explorer to replace the MKT Different floor pan to sedans...CD4 - Fusion-Mondeo (Sedan, Hatchback and Stationwagon) CD4.2 - Edge,MKX, S-Max, Galaxy CD4.3 - Taurus, MKS CD4 is one platform butt has a whole bunch of product variations linked under that banner For the moment the late in 2014 Falcon continues on E8 with corporate restyling, changed interior and better corporate electrical options. Edited December 3, 2012 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Flagship sedans and sports cars have become less of a factor Interesting quote from the article Also, it should not take 3 years to launch a sedan using an existing architecture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Interesting quote from the article Also, it should not take 3 years to launch a sedan using an existing architecture. The new Taurus was done in 24 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Exactly. The MKS will either be on a highly modified CD4 or a new platform. If they were making few changes to CD4, I would expect the MKS to launch some time next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Different floor pan to sedans... CD4 - Fusion-Mondeo (Sedan, Hatchback and Stationwagon) CD4.2 - Edge,MKX, S-Max, Galaxy CD4.3 - Taurus, MKS Wait a minute, the point I'm making is that widened up CD sedan would be a better fit for both the Edge and Taurus. The current cars are very similar in size (besides length)..I know that they are the "same" platform, but they would both share the widened verison of the current CD platform and the CD4W as I'll call it would also become a Explorer with LWB model...no need to have 3 different varients of the same platform. Plus from my understanding its easier to streach out a car vs widening to meet crash regs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Interesting quote from the article Also, it should not take 3 years to launch a sedan using an existing architecture. The D3 Taurus was done in 24 months because it was a heavy refresh of an existing car,Ford has previously stated that they have reduced new product delivery time from four years to three. Even though Taurus is CD4, just about everything has to be changed or altered compared to Fusion..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 (edited) Wait a minute, the point I'm making is that widened up CD sedan would be a better fit for both the Edge and Taurus. Yes, CD4 Taurus will be wider than CD4 Fusion but the floor pan won't be shared with the SUVs UtilitiesEverything from the floor pan up has to be re engineered, not from scratch but it still takes time. Big drop in weight over D3 Taurus And I;ll meet you guys half way on Taurus delivery, If Taurus was begun earlier this year, allow 2 years development on CD4 architecture plus 9-12 months field reliability testing The planning was for a 2016 model Taurus, that's why the time line seems to fit....if delivered in 2014, it would be Q4 at the earliest. Edited December 3, 2012 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 The new Taurus was done in 24 months. Exactly. The MKS will either be on a highly modified CD4 or a new platform. If they were making few changes to CD4, I would expect the MKS to launch some time next year. Not quite IMO...the MKS came out in 2008 and I'm willing to assume it was in the works in 2005 (concept 2005). The new Taurus came out in 2009 and was based heavly on the changes that the MKS had done to the D3 platform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 (edited) Not quite IMO...the MKS came out in 2008 and I'm willing to assume it was in the works in 2005 (concept 2005). The new Taurus came out in 2009 and was based heavly on the changes that the MKS had done to the D3 platform. Lincoln MKS concept, circa '05. Note that it still had the Zephyr grille. Edited December 3, 2012 by papilgee4evaeva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 (edited) What insiders may be perceiving as US projects could be Falcon being evolved and co-developed next to CD4 Taurus, maybe some of the styling, interior and electronics falls the way of the poor cousin from down under? If so, it would be very easy to misinterpret that action as FNA doing more than they actually are.... Edited December 3, 2012 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 IIRC, the MKS Concept was AWD with an availible 4.4L V8 sourced from Volvo. I didn't recall any mention of RWD. That said, is the Audi system RWD based with the engine mounted longitudinally and the transfer case aft suppling fwd? Perhaps a look at the mounts maybe plausible? I know this has been discussed before. The intro might be late 2014 as a 2015 introduced perhaps in LA 2013. Speaking of Taurus, I was really happy personally with the results regardless of sight and room issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 IIRC, the MKS Concept was AWD with an availible 4.4L V8 sourced from Volvo. I didn't recall any mention of RWD. That said, is the Audi system RWD based with the engine mounted longitudinally and the transfer case aft suppling fwd? Perhaps a look at the mounts maybe plausible? I know this has been discussed before. The intro might be late 2014 as a 2015 introduced perhaps in LA 2013. Speaking of Taurus, I was really happy personally with the results regardless of sight and room issues. Thanks for reminding me about the Yamaha V8. For some reason I forgot and thought it was the Modular. Audi's quattro is programmed to a 40:60 torque split in favor of RWD, but all non-quattro-equipped Audis (base models of A4 and A6) are FWD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 IIRC, the MKS Concept was AWD with an availible 4.4L V8 sourced from Volvo. I didn't recall any mention of RWD. That said, is the Audi system RWD based with the engine mounted longitudinally and the transfer case aft suppling fwd? Perhaps a look at the mounts maybe plausible? I know this has been discussed before. The intro might be late 2014 as a 2015 introduced perhaps in LA 2013. Speaking of Taurus, I was really happy personally with the results regardless of sight and room issues. Audi engines are mounted longitudinally. I don't know if the systems are full time AWD with a rear torque bias, I would be surprised if they were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Thanks for the comments, I am too lazy to do in-depth research. Now, IIRC the 'Intelligent AWD' can send up to 100% power aft. Now, I don't know for how long or how that works. Some of the literature out there says Ford still uses the Hadlex which I believe is incorrect and this system is in-house. Now, what can this system be modified? I'm sure it has been considered yet reliability, material fatique and others issues have been at least discussed. Another thing, Lincoln CCD: Iread somewhere it reads the road 500 times/sec while the Cadillac/Camero is 1000. Is that a big deal or really picking pepper out of the fly-shit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Ford's AWD system is not Haldex, it's a descendent of a system prototyped by Borg-Warner in the early 90s and developed in conjunction with Ford thereafter. It was the first electronically activated FWD system, and because it lacks a center diff, it cannot be used full time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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