jasonj80 Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 (edited) http://www.iihs.org/news/rss/pr051613.html 11 of 13 models do marginal or poor. New rav4 not tested so Toyota can make changes. I wonder if Ford will have a running change for the 2014 Escapes with changes to the airbag and front structure. http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Fcu-spM98mQ&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DFcu-spM98mQ%26feature%3Dyoutu.be Edited May 16, 2013 by jasonj80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Wow total death and devestation, a carnival of carnage. I hope they can address that quickly enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 (edited) That's very disappointing, especially since it's the newest of the poor performers. But hey, look at those profits right? Edited May 16, 2013 by BORG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mettech Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScapeTom Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 The moral of the story - don't hit unmovable objects head-on, and if you do, make sure that you get at least half of your front surface squarely on the object. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 I wonder if Ford will have a running change for the 2014 Escapes with changes to the airbag and front structure. I think they will. In the USA, automakers have generally been responsive in making design changes to vehicles in response to unfavorable crash test results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 The moral of the story - don't hit unmovable objects head-on, and if you do, make sure that you get at least half of your front surface squarely on the object. Or just borrow a friend's new Subaru Forester to strike immobile objects at an offset. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted May 16, 2013 Author Share Posted May 16, 2013 (edited) What is sad is that IIHS told the manufactures of the new test in 2009, you would have thought Ford would have started to beef up the structure at that point. The A Pillar seemed to hold up very well vs some of the other models so some bracing on the front along with making the airbag larger extending fwd would help. I hope Ford will have a fix for when the MKC launches and it will perform much better. Edited May 16, 2013 by jasonj80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 (edited) That's very disappointing, especially since it's the newest of the poor performers. The underlying structure isn't all that new though. It's still fundamentally what debuted with the original Kuga as far as I know. Still, not a good showing. Edited May 16, 2013 by NickF1011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamamultitasker Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Still, the Escape gets "TOP SAFETY PICK" from the IIHS. The small overlap test must be less than important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Ouch! I'm sure it doesn't matter much in a head-on, but why do they take the head rests out? Seems that would invalidate the test since they are removing safety equipment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted May 16, 2013 Author Share Posted May 16, 2013 Still, the Escape gets "TOP SAFETY PICK" from the IIHS. The small overlap test must be less than important. It gets the top Safety pick as a lot of vehicles haven't been tested yet, as time goes by (probalby next model year 2015) vehicles will have to do well in this test as well to get top safety pick.(along with active safety features that are currently out for comment) The IIHS will probably test small cars next, then midsized SUV's. You will see more company's do what Honda and Volvo did though and pay for tests if they know their cars will pass the test. Ford knew the Escape would fail this at this point. They might be waiting for the MKC to come out update the structure or they might not and will update it when the next Escape comes out if there is something that can't be fixed easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 The odds of having exactly that type of accident have to be astronomical. If you're going slower there are no inuries anyway. Much faster and you're dead anyway. Hit at a slightly different angle and all bets are off. Hit a vehicle of a different size and the results will vary. Seems like the IIHS just dreams up new tests for the automakers to fail so they can prove they're doing a service for the consumers and to toot their own horns. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Seems like the IIHS just dreams up new tests for the automakers to fail so they can prove they're doing a service for the consumers and to toot their own horns. Sounds like Consumer Reports... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Seems like the IIHS just dreams up new tests for the automakers to fail so they can prove they're doing a service for the consumers and to toot their own horns. IIHS is an organization represented by casualty insurance firms, so certainly there is self interest involved. However, IIHS deserves praise for implementing more demanding tests as part of their automobile crash-worthiness evaluations. A crash test that is aced by the vast majority of entries is one that becomes less meaningful over time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 A crash test that is aced by the vast majority of entries is one that becomes less meaningful over time. Isn't that kinda the goal though? In 30 years they'll be implementing the Sharp Pointy Object Catapulted Through Windshield Directly At Driver's Skull Test. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 IIHS is an organization represented by casualty insurance firms, so certainly there is self interest involved. However, IIHS deserves praise for implementing more demanding tests as part of their automobile crash-worthiness evaluations. A crash test that is aced by the vast majority of entries is one that becomes less meaningful over time. and yet the "safer" vehicles get ( which is NULLIFIED by how worse drivers seem to be becoming ) my premiums dont get any lower and the price of vehicles keeps escalating....next up, the hit by lightning test........... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerM Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Isn't that kinda the goal though? In 30 years they'll be implementing the Sharp Pointy Object Catapulted Through Windshield Directly At Driver's Skull Test. Just so long as they do it at an apparently arbitrary velocity, I'm sure it'll be invaluable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 (edited) Just so long as they do it at an apparently arbitrary velocity, I'm sure it'll be invaluable. especially around angry remote tribes in Africa...or Olympic Javelin trial meets... Edited May 16, 2013 by Deanh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 and yet the "safer" vehicles get ( which is NULLIFIED by how worse drivers seem to be becoming ) my premiums dont get any lower and the price of vehicles keeps escalating....next up, the hit by lightning test........... Premiums don't go down because all of these things that make us safer cost more to replace. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Premiums don't go down because all of these things that make us safer cost more to replace. ......................in the event of an accident..........ARRRRRRRRRRRRRG! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerM Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 especially around angry remote tribes in Africa...or Olympic Javelin trial meets... You never know. Perhaps they could implement the "deer" test? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnnGvicbK2g 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 (edited) This will be ugly for Ford for a while as the Escape is basically a MCE of the Euro Kuga and based on C1 Architecture but it's also great opportunity for Ford to review C1 as a whole and use virtual software to develop modifictions to cover deficiencies in crash protection in small overlap instances. That's one of the blessings and curses of having global platforms with large product envelopes, changes can be made to cover more vehicles but the timing of implementation can be a little slower. Of more concern to Ford, the Lincoln MKC will now most likely rate poorly in this same test, will that now affect buyer decisions to purchase the MKC.... Edited May 16, 2013 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Or the moose test. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Or the moose test. surprized at how badly the Moose stood up, the IIHS needs to investigate why it fared so badly.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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