zipnzap Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2015/01/spied-2017-ford-super-duty-chassis-cab.html We also get a write-up on what they see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 If this thing is 4x4 (which it sounds like it is since they said it had a manual T-Case lever), then it appears to have IFS. Either that or Ford ditched the manual-locking hubs (which I highly doubt). I can honestly say: WOOHOO!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Also, the ignition switch looks a bit odd. It's angled forward as if it is turned on, but there is no key in it. Strange. I would think it would get push-button start like the rest of the lineup, but maybe only on higher-end models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Quick guess: That's a kludge because the push button start component hasn't been installed. I note that the cylinder doesn't even have the molded plastic rests used to prevent you from twisting the key itself to start the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catan70 Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 I'm beyond stoked to see the new superduty. It's by far my favorite looking truck off all time going back to '99 but it is getting a little long in the tooth and is ready for some all new sheetmetal. Ford dominates this market the hd market. They sell as much as gmc, chebbie, and dodge combined. The 3/4 market is huge for ford and is a cash cow for them so I expect some amazing improvements. I don't know if ford would go ifs A lot of people won't buy a goverment motors hd truck for that reason alone. For their market I think a solid front axle is best. I'm planning on picking up a new superduty this summer but I wanna see what this new one looks like beforehand. Any ideas/guesses when they could unveil it. I think they have done it in the past at the Texas state fair. I wouldn't be surprised if they did similar to 2008 model when the 2007 was a short run to get the '08's out. If they did that w the 2016 to get the '17 out earlier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 I note that the cylinder doesn't even have the molded plastic rests used to prevent you from twisting the key itself to start the car. Ummm, current Super Duty trucks don't either: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 I'm beyond stoked to see the new superduty. It's by far my favorite looking truck off all time going back to '99 but it is getting a little long in the tooth and is ready for some all new sheetmetal. Ford dominates this market the hd market. They sell as much as gmc, chebbie, and dodge combined. The 3/4 market is huge for ford and is a cash cow for them so I expect some amazing improvements. I don't know if ford would go ifs A lot of people won't buy a goverment motors hd truck for that reason alone. For their market I think a solid front axle is best. I'm planning on picking up a new superduty this summer but I wanna see what this new one looks like beforehand. Any ideas/guesses when they could unveil it. I think they have done it in the past at the Texas state fair. I wouldn't be surprised if they did similar to 2008 model when the 2007 was a short run to get the '08's out. If they did that w the 2016 to get the '17 out earlier I would say more people buy GM trucks for the IFS and better ride/handling than buy Super Duties for the SFA alone. Will they lose a few sales to Ram? Probably, but I bet the better ride/handling will keep lure more buyers than they lose. I'm wondering if they will make SFA standard with IFS optional. Originally, I was thinking they may do IFS on F250 and SFA on F350 up, but maybe not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traxiii Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 That thing could have the world's largest Ford grill emblem, man that's gonna be huge! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 That thing could have the world's largest Ford grill emblem, man that's gonna be huge! That grille appears to be directly off the current truck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Remember Pioneer's comments about how we would be shocked and amazed at what they were doing with the next gen SD (or something to that effect?)? Obviously it's aluminum and it wouldn't surprise me to share a lot more with the F150 including IFS. But I'm thinking drivetrain - hybrid? What about a 3.2L diesel electric hybrid? With electric motors you get instant torque. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Remember Pioneer's comments about how we would be shocked and amazed at what they were doing with the next gen SD (or something to that effect?)? Obviously it's aluminum and it wouldn't surprise me to share a lot more with the F150 including IFS. But I'm thinking drivetrain - hybrid? What about a 3.2L diesel electric hybrid? With electric motors you get instant torque. Make it a plug-in with a not-outrageous cost of entry and enough towing capability to tow my fiver and I'm in! Plug in means I can take the kids to school without using a drop of diesel. Not to mention, I can plug it in at the campground for a free charge! Sadly, I don't see that all happening... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Ummm, current Super Duty trucks don't either: Weird. I thought all Fords had that, seeing how they've had those little tabs for seemingly decades. https://www.rockauto.com/catalog/catalog.php?carcode=1127562&parttype=10041 Anyway, with that info, you're probably looking at the current SD ignition cylinder grafted into the new interior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Weird. I thought all Fords had that, seeing how they've had those little tabs for seemingly decades. https://www.rockauto.com/catalog/catalog.php?carcode=1127562&parttype=10041 Anyway, with that info, you're probably looking at the current SD ignition cylinder grafted into the new interior. Honestly, I couldn't remember 100% for sure if my '08 SD had them or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Weird. I thought all Fords had that, seeing how they've had those little tabs for seemingly decades. https://www.rockauto.com/catalog/catalog.php?carcode=1127562&parttype=10041 Anyway, with that info, you're probably looking at the current SD ignition cylinder grafted into the new interior. I haven't seen that on any Ford product (or really any product) in years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGolden Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I would guess this is a 2wd truck, considering the front air dam is as low as a mustang. If it was 4x4, you still may not see the hubs because on a dually with offset wheels front and back like this truck, the hubs are hard to reach and see inside the front wheel spacer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I haven't seen that on any Ford product (or really any product) in years. I think that stopped when they went to the larger pats keys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Remember Pioneer's comments about how we would be shocked and amazed at what they were doing with the next gen SD (or something to that effect?)? Obviously it's aluminum and it wouldn't surprise me to share a lot more with the F150 including IFS. But I'm thinking drivetrain - hybrid? What about a 3.2L diesel electric hybrid? With electric motors you get instant torque. 3.5 EB hybrid makes a lot of sense for SD especially if it has a plug-in Energi option, as an alternative to 6.2 gas V8. Not sure about 3.2 diesel hybrid... You are constantly cycling on and off the diesel engine in a hybrid setup... it's not going to pass emission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 3.5 EB hybrid makes a lot of sense for SD especially if it has a plug-in Energi option, as an alternative to 6.2 gas V8. Not sure about 3.2 diesel hybrid... You are constantly cycling on and off the diesel engine in a hybrid setup... it's not going to pass emission. Unless they went crazy and did a Volt-like setup where the diesel engine was there to charge the batteries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Unless they went crazy and did a Volt-like setup where the diesel engine was there to charge the batteries That seems like a waste of a Diesel engine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 That seems like a waste of a Diesel engine Never said it was smart. Just adding thoughts to the pool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I would guess this is a 2wd truck, considering the front air dam is as low as a mustang. If it was 4x4, you still may not see the hubs because on a dually with offset wheels front and back like this truck, the hubs are hard to reach and see inside the front wheel spacer. You could be right about it being 2wd, and I think it has the stance of a 4x2, but the article did mention a t-case lever on the floor (of course, we know how that goes with 'journalists'). I zoomed in and I'm 99% sure there are no hubs. They are hard to reach on a dually, but they should be visible in that pic if they were there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I would love to have a look under the front of that thing. I saw good pictures of a mule some time ago and it was clearly on the current (4X4) chassis. However, a mule is just that. Could be any collection of old and new components rigged up for a specific test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 That seems like a waste of a Diesel engine Actually it's not. If the engine is allowed to run on its own (not connected to the wheels) it can run at whatever speed is optimal for either power or fuel economy to generate electricity. And it has to be an efficient powerplant to overcome the losses from converting mechanical energy to electricity and back again. And if you're curious how that works - go look up diesel electric locomotives that appeared 60 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 You could be right about it being 2wd, and I think it has the stance of a 4x2, but the article did mention a t-case lever on the floor (of course, we know how that goes with 'journalists'). I zoomed in and I'm 99% sure there are no hubs. They are hard to reach on a dually, but they should be visible in that pic if they were there. Hmm........4WD without locking hubs....... hmmm.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Actually it's not. If the engine is allowed to run on its own (not connected to the wheels) it can run at whatever speed is optimal for either power or fuel economy to generate electricity. And it has to be an efficient powerplant to overcome the losses from converting mechanical energy to electricity and back again. And if you're curious how that works - go look up diesel electric locomotives that appeared 60 years ago. I know exactly how it works, trains are another passion of mine. I just feel like it's not a practical use of a Diesel engine in an automotive setting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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