jpd80 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) The scary part is that there are people who really believe that SIRI is smarter than them and some form of advanced artificial intelligence.. People believing today's technology is more advanced than it is and trusting implicitly something they really don't understand. And this is what the tech companies want us to do, buy into the dream while they cobble something together that looks like what they are selling, imitations of intelligence that basically are a mixture of active cruise, lane keep and "follow the map". People who should know better are not informing those that don't because they have bought the illusion of the dream. Edited November 29, 2017 by jpd80 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Good video, and he answers the 'how' question: Controlled environment. And that gets back to a point I made earlier, that the biggest hurdle may be integrating non-autonomous vehicles with autonomous vehicles. It may not be possible, and I think it's the reason that the leading concept is to make an autonomous vehicle without any driver controls. And why Ford's idea of an autonomous vehicle with controls is really a non-starter. Here's more to consider: https://www.autoblog.com/2017/11/28/toyota-ai-autonomy-racing-parts-executives-promoted/ Keep in mind Toyota seems to be sticking with their view the hydrogen will be the fuel of the future (IMHO a far bigger long shot that autonomous electric vehicles). So, consider the source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Mass transit is a joke... youtube com/watch?v=hcoa7OMAmRk...It's not going to happen, folks. &but "Artificial Intelligence" is LIE ( like most marketing-speak/advertising ) that video (which imho skirted the truth) would be closer by calling it "artificial stupidity", throughout The scary part is that there are people who really believe that SIRI is smarter than them and some form of advanced artificial intelligence.. People believing today's technology is more advanced than it is and trusting implicitly something they really don't understand. And this is what the tech companies want us to do, buy into the dream while they cobble something together that looks like what they are selling, imitations of intelligence that basically are a mixture of active cruise, lane keep and "follow the map". People who should know better are not informing those that don't because they have bought the illusion of the dream. well, Jpd I believe Siri is 'smarter' than a LOT of people ... just not you, me, or most here tho I can think of a forum where I'd bet on Siri 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 The scary part is that there are people who really believe that SIRI is smarter than them and some form of advanced artificial intelligence.. Pro Tip: If you think Siri is smarter than you are, you're probably right. But so is a turnip. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 buy into the dream while they cobble something together that looks like what they are selling I've never seen it phrased better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Controlled environment. And that's the breakdown. You can't come up with a controlled environment that covers millions of square miles, and you can't reliably count on autonomous vehicles to function well outside of their controlled environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 The scary part is that there are people who really believe that SIRI is smarter than them and some form of advanced artificial intelligence.. People believing today's technology is more advanced than it is and trusting implicitly something they really don't understand. And this is what the tech companies want us to do, buy into the dream while they cobble something together that looks like what they are selling, imitations of intelligence that basically are a mixture of active cruise, lane keep and "follow the map". People who should know better are not informing those that don't because they have bought the illusion of the dream. It took us about 52 years to go from the Wright Flyer to the 707..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 It took us about 52 years to go from the Wright Flyer to the 707..... The rate at which Americans adopted new technologies has increased exponentially since Flyer I. It's logical to expect fully self driving cars in the early to mid 2020s, perhaps even a little bit earlier. Ford, Daimler, BMW, Hyundai, Toyota, Nissan, Honda, Tesla, Volvo Cars, BMW and GM all agree with this. https://www.techemergence.com/self-driving-car-timeline-themselves-top-11-automakers/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Ah but do we embrace technology before most are actually ready for it or even want it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Ah but do we embrace technology before most are actually ready for it or even want it... When the technology will exist to make it all possible is one thing, but I believe many are ready for it and a majority want it, at least what is being promised at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) When the technology will exist to make it all possible is one thing, but I believe many are ready for it and a majority want it, at least what is being promised at this point. So you're saying that the majority of today's drivers would prefer to be chauffeured by an autonomous vehicle? Or is it more like people who currently don't own a vehicle and don't want to own one in future, wanting the freedom to call up a ride share and get transport from A to B as needed? Because I could see it primarily being the latter with some carry over to the former but only in so far as the tech is beneficial to those people by letting them carry on as if they don't have a license and a vehicle. and that gets to the nexus of the issue, future vehicle ownership versus everyone going to some form of flexible vehicle ride share... We need to be careful here as to who we think is interested in autonomous tech and why, what do they get . what do they want form it. Edited November 29, 2017 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Not to mention governments have no clue how to integrate autonomous tech into current infrastructure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted November 29, 2017 Author Share Posted November 29, 2017 Not to mention governments have no clue how to integrate autonomous tech into current infrastructure They can't even keep the current infrastructure from falling apart...you want them to add sensors/etc to it too? For all the advances in IT in the past 20 years or so I've been working in it...there is still a significant amount of people who have no clue or care to have a clue as to how it works. All they think it is a light switch, when turned on it just works-when the truth is that it takes lots of massaging to make it work properly or to the users expectations. I've found recently that people under 30 need the least amount of hand holding when it comes to IT (at least since we got some younger people where I'm at...I'm in the lower threshold of being 43, with only 5-6 people being under that...avg age is 54 here) But getting back to my point...expecting to completely replace every single car on the road with an automotious car in the next 20 years is pie in the sky thinking. Its going to take another generation or two before people fully trust it and that trust is going to go away once there is one big giant cockup and takes people's lives. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 It took us about 52 years to go from the Wright Flyer to the 707..... I didn't know the 707 could fly itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) I didn't know the 707 could fly itself. With ease, thanks to Lear (Mom used to work there way back in the day). Of course they couldn't land or take off by themselves. But a 777 sure can. Edited November 30, 2017 by 7Mary3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 With ease, thanks to Lear (Mom used to work there way back in the day). Of course they couldn't land or take off by themselves. But a 777 sure can. Bill Lear's coupled autopilot system was used for takeoff, cruise, and landing on a C-54 in 1947. It flew across the Atlantic from Canada to England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 And they still don’t allow planes to take-off, fly and land autonomously. That should tell you something. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) Bill Lear was amazing, something of the Elon Musk of his day, along with Howard Hughes. That was back when Douglas was in Santa Monica, and Lear was right around the corner from them. But, back to automotive: https://www.reuters.com/article/zf-friedrich-chairman/auto-supplier-zf-chairman-resigns-idUSL8N1NZ6FB Edited November 30, 2017 by 7Mary3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) Not to mention governments have no clue how to integrate autonomous tech into current infrastructure I pointed out Caltran's current efforts. The DOT is very much on board with all this, and their policies will be disseminated to the state level no question. One hurdle is getting the states to agree to uniform standards, and progress is being made on that front. Just the beginning, a long way to go. Edited November 30, 2017 by 7Mary3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) I pointed out Caltran's current efforts. The DOT is very much on board with all this, and their policies will be disseminated to the state level no question. One hurdle is getting the states to agree to uniform standards, and progress is being made on that front. Just the beginning, a long way to go. You bet there's a long way to go, those cars are puttering around a course at relatively low speed with little or no traffic. The real test of trust will be putting you kids in there and sending it out into fast moving traffic with all the A-holes and trucks. Those vehicles have no situational awareness or perception in advance regarding what drivers around them intend to do. Actually, I predict that regular drivers will quicly work out that autonomous vehicles will always brake first to avoid a crash and use that to barge in and out of lanes as they do now. Edited November 30, 2017 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) You bet there's a long way to go, those cars are puttering around a course at relatively low speed with little or no traffic. not true, I've seen them on the streets in and around dearborn Edited November 30, 2017 by fuzzymoomoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) not true, I've seen them on the streets in and around dearborn I was talking about the the car in the video that was posted earlier. It scares me to imagine that people will soon be willing to put their kids in the back seats of these things... Edited November 30, 2017 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 And they still don’t allow planes to take-off, fly and land autonomously. That should tell you something. Yes sir. One thing that says is that the technology for autonomous flying and driving already exists. But there is still a long way to go on the government and regulatory side. As 7Mary3 said, some government entities like the transportation departments in California and U.S. federal government are supporting and encouraging autonomous car use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 I was talking about the the car in the video that was posted earlier. It scares me to imagine that people will soon be willing to put their kids in the back seats of these things... heck what about the kid walking alone when a bunch of other kids run into the street, so the car's programming dictates KILL THE FEWEST 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted November 30, 2017 Author Share Posted November 30, 2017 heck what about the kid walking alone when a bunch of other kids run into the street, so the car's programming dictates KILL THE FEWEST Who is going to buy a car that can decide it can kill its driver, if need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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