ausrutherford Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 46 minutes ago, T-dubz said: That would be cool, but I don’t see ford doing that on this vehicle. The wording that was used in the order guide was roof conversion, low opening. I could see it being some sort of roof cargo system, maybe like the xterra (storage compartment was on the lower part of the roof, maybe that’s what they mean by lower opening). I’d say it’s a long shot, but maybe it’s something like this: I swear Nissan must be kicking themselves that they didn't keep the Xterra. Always liked them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 5 hours ago, sullynd said: Different plants though - I assume powertrains will only be those shared with other vehicles in Hermosillo. Will they even be building a hybrid there? Well Hermosillo will be basically gutted to build this, that doesn't really matter much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 4 hours ago, ausrutherford said: I swear Nissan must be kicking themselves that they didn't keep the Xterra. Always liked them. Nissan is probably kicking themselves for a LOT of things these days 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Well Hermosillo will be basically gutted to build this, that doesn't really matter much. Hermosillo has already built 44 BS in February, so they're already on their way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 12 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Well Hermosillo will be basically gutted to build this, that doesn't really matter much. I was thinking more supply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, jpd80 said: Hermosillo has already built 44 BS in February, so they're already on their way. Wait what? So does that mean C2 has more in common than CD4 than we thought? Edited March 22, 2020 by fuzzymoomoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Wait what? So does that mean C2 has more in common than CD4 than we thought? I think it shares a lot but not because they built them in Hermosillo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, akirby said: I think it shares a lot but not because they built them in Hermosillo. I don't think they would have already built 44 of them by hand there, they would have had to come off the line, which means it's literally sharing a line with the Fusion because production of those doesn't end until August. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 2 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Wait what? So does that mean C2 has more in common than CD4 than we thought? Was there ever doubt? CD4 is an evolution of EUCD, which was an offshoot of C1. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 57 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: I don't think they would have already built 44 of them by hand there, they would have had to come off the line, which means it's literally sharing a line with the Fusion because production of those doesn't end until August. BOF Town car and unibody Lincoln LS shared an assembly line - what’s your point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
passis Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 57 minutes ago, sullynd said: Was there ever doubt? CD4 is an evolution of EUCD, which was an offshoot of C1. Are C1/C2 minimally "compatible" with B2/B3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 33 minutes ago, akirby said: BOF Town car and unibody Lincoln LS shared an assembly line - what’s your point? It was designed with that in mind though. To my knowledge, Hermosillo as currently currently wasn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Hermosillo is flexible I thought. The only plants I can think of that aren't flex now are DTP, KCTP, and KTP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, ausrutherford said: Hermosillo is flexible I thought. The only plants I can think of that aren't flex now are DTP, KCTP, and KTP. It's only ever built Fusion and MKZ for the last 15 years or so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, fuzzymoomoo said: It's only ever built Fusion and MKZ for the last 15 years or so But it built the Escort and Focus before that. Both compacts. And I thought they rebuilt the lines when they expanded it about 10 years ago. Its capacity is huge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted March 23, 2020 Author Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said: I don't think they would have already built 44 of them by hand there, they would have had to come off the line, which means it's literally sharing a line with the Fusion because production of those doesn't end until August. I was under the impression it was stopping much sooner then that-The BS should be at dealerships in October... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 38 minutes ago, passis said: Are C1/C2 minimally "compatible" with B2/B3? As I understand it, they didn’t start as common but have been rolled into one over arching “architecture” which to me is code for grouping engineering modules and cost centres. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: It was designed with that in mind though. To my knowledge, Hermosillo as currently currently wasn't. With C1/C2 and EUCD/CD4, the construction process Was standardised so while the parts are different they use the same work stations and assembly sequence and processes. Remember tat some of the prep work for Focus had already been done at Hermosillo, so I bet Ford made good use of that for the other C2s Edited March 23, 2020 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 hour ago, silvrsvt said: I was under the impression it was stopping much sooner then that-The BS should be at dealerships in October... The last end date I saw in the FDNB was August. I haven't looked lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 hour ago, jpd80 said: Remember tat some of the prep work for Focus had already been done at Hermosillo, so I bet Ford made good use of that for the other C2s Oh balls, I completely forgot about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
passis Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 hour ago, jpd80 said: With C1/C2 and EUCD/CD4, the construction process Was standardised so while the parts are different they use the same work stations and assembly sequence and processes. I wonder if B2 work stations and assembly processes for the Ecosport in Bahia/BR could be converted (in an economical fashion) to produce a C2 NG Territory (now that Argentina seems to have been ruled out) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 28 minutes ago, passis said: I wonder if B2 work stations and assembly processes for the Ecosport in Bahia/BR could be converted (in an economical fashion) to produce a C2 NG Territory (now that Argentina seems to have been ruled out) Not sure because It’s not a Ford platform, it’s based on Chinese vehicle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Oh balls, I completely forgot about that. That’s understandable, lots of info flying around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
passis Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 7 hours ago, jpd80 said: Not sure because It’s not a Ford platform, it’s based on Chinese vehicle I meant the next generation, supposedly based on C2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted March 23, 2020 Author Share Posted March 23, 2020 Updated the title-starting to go a bit stir crazy working/staying at home 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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