sullynd Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Should this thread be moved to a non-employee forum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, sullynd said: Should this thread be moved to a non-employee forum? Nah, Decker said it was ok. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 Employees & Customers we are all dependent on each other ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autoworker2 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) Years down the road when it's time to replace the battery pack, will we see the car lots full of used Mustang Mach E's? I imagine the aftermarket will have a blast making go-faster goodies for these things. Edited November 20, 2019 by autoworker2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 Hmmmm is this another step towards planned obsolescence.....? Battery packs, is there any studies on the cycle rates for these batteries being used? What is the cost of parts and labor for replacement? Then the drive motors themselves, cost for repairs? Will these costs make these units disposable units? Are these products in a stage of development that like so many products that are just rushed to market without things like research or long term evaluation, just for a piece of the market pie? Oh then like other rushed products will the customer becomes the R&D team.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 There are plenty of 10 yr old Fusion Energis running great on the original batteries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Decker said: Hmmmm is this another step towards planned obsolescence.....? Battery packs, is there any studies on the cycle rates for these batteries being used? What is the cost of parts and labor for replacement? Then the drive motors themselves, cost for repairs? Will these costs make these units disposable units? Battery warranty is 8 years or can't be charged to 70% My brother in law has 2010 Fusion Hybrid and its still doing well considering its age. He said hes noticed a slight change with it though. Electric motors have very little wear to them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 26 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: My brother in law has 2010 Fusion Hybrid and its still doing well considering its age. He said hes noticed a slight change with it though. . He needs to read this. https://www.fordfusionforum.com/topic/19361-my-instructions-on-restoring-the-hybrid-ev-function-on-the-ford-fusion-hybrid-approaching-the-89-years-mark/?page=5&tab=comments#comment-111735 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lastmanstanding Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 13 hours ago, Decker said: Hmmmm is this another step towards planned obsolescence.....? Battery packs, is there any studies on the cycle rates for these batteries being used? What is the cost of parts and labor for replacement? Then the drive motors themselves, cost for repairs? Will these costs make these units disposable units? There are 2 different battery packs being used ..... there is the Standard parallel Ni-Cad batteries, capable of operating under normal use for over 175,000 miles. Ni-Cad hybrid batteries, however, are much more susceptible to break down when used in extreme environments, particularly when temperatures fall into the negatives. And then there is lithium-ion batteries. Plug-ins and most new hybrid cars typically use these. They don’t suffer from the same downsides as Ni-Cad............ Ford offers a 8-year warranty or minimum 80,000 miles (whichever comes first) for their "hybrid battery" pack...... also, it depends on temperature ranges, usage, and charging cycles............ New lithium-ion batteries can run anywhere from $1000 to $3000 or higher, excluding the cost of labor. Ni-Cad batteries are slightly cheaper.............. .... Example is the cost of replacing battery modules in a Tesla Model 3 is about $3000 - $7000, depending on the battery that was installed....... Current batteries on a Tesla 3 are designed to last somewhere between 300,000 - 500,000 miles........ equivalent of 1,500 cycles............ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lastmanstanding Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Just a note: Tesla just announced it's new 2020 roadster will have a go 600 range......... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 5 hours ago, lastmanstanding said: Just a note: Tesla just announced it's new 2020 roadster will have a go 600 range......... FAKE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 I'll believe it when I see it. Not even ICE cars have that kind of range. Hybrids maybe if you stay off the freeway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 23 hours ago, lastmanstanding said: Just a note: Tesla just announced it's new 2020 roadster will have a go 600 range......... Sure, if you are driving it downhill for 600 miles with a tailwind 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciarrocchi Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 I own a 1969 Mustang Mach 1 what a FKN embarrassment. No wonder their stocks keep going down. No one in that FKN company has no vision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 33 minutes ago, Ciarrocchi said: I own a 1969 Mustang Mach 1 what a FKN embarrassment. No wonder their stocks keep going down. No one in that FKN company has no vision. Have you actually purchased a new Mustang in the last 20 years? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Ford actually has a lot of vision. It just doesn’t match what some of you think. That doesn’t mean it’s wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Ciarrocchi said: I own a 1969 Mustang Mach 1 what a FKN embarrassment. No wonder their stocks keep going down. No one in that FKN company has no vision. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatso Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 13 hours ago, Ciarrocchi said: I own a 1969 Mustang Mach 1 what a FKN embarrassment. No wonder their stocks keep going down. No one in that FKN company has no vision. Thats gotta make a nice sound when you rev it up.Lets see an electric vehicle match that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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