Jump to content





rmc523

2022 Honda Civic Debuts

Recommended Posts

Posted (edited)

Interesting fact. Honda Civic is the best selling new car or light truck for these groups of retail consumers in the U.S.

  • First time new car/truck buyers
  • Millennials
  • Gen Z
  • Non-white people
Edited by rperez817

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
18 minutes ago, rperez817 said:

 

  • Non-white people


The press release says “multicultural”.  Not the same thing.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, akirby said:

The press release says “multicultural”. 

 

Yes sir. The definition of "multicultural" in the Honda press release comes from IHS Markit, which also uses the word "ethnic" to describe the group.

 

IHS Markit's definition of "multicultural" or "ethnic" in this context is Asian, Native American, Hispanic and African American car buyers. In other words, car buyers who aren't non-Hispanic whites.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)

I don't think those statics will keep up with Gen Z and Millennials, this vehicle is getting torn apart the Honda forums. It is too boring for that market. Who'd have thought, the Civic is now the old persons car, and the Corolla is a young car. 

You'd think after the Gen 9 disaster Honda would have learned but apparently not. History repeats itself. 

Edited by jasonj80

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, jasonj80 said:

I don't think those statics will keep up with Gen Z and Millennials, this vehicle is getting torn apart the Honda forums. It is too boring for that market. Who'd have thought, the Civic is now the old persons car, and the Corolla is a young car. 

You'd think after the Gen 9 disaster Honda would have learned but apparently not. History repeats itself. 

 

Honda has always alternated between revolutionary and evolutionary with successive generations of Civic. 11th gen is clearly evolutionary. Some people might find the styling of new Civic boring compared to 10th gen, that is true. But the 11th gen car still looks way better than any of Honda's crossovers.  

 

We'll have to wait for 3rd party road test reviews to confirm that the engineering excellence in 10th gen Civic hasn't been watered down in 11th gen, but I don't think 11th gen will be the disaster than the 1st year of 9th gen was.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, rperez817 said:

 

Yes sir. The definition of "multicultural" in the Honda press release comes from IHS Markit, which also uses the word "ethnic" to describe the group.

 

IHS Markit's definition of "multicultural" or "ethnic" in this context is Asian, Native American, Hispanic and African American car buyers. In other words, car buyers who aren't non-Hispanic whites.


Their definition is stupid.   Those are all one culture, not multiples.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It's OK I guess. Like a miniature Accord to an extent. I don't like the scrunchy face of the new Accord. Interior looks interesting. I like the cheese grater look going across the dash area as it is unique. It will probably get fantastic MPG.

 

It will do ok for the Honda loyalist who absolutely wants a fuel efficient, cheaper sedan. I just can't see paying for this knowing I could get a CRV for a bit more. I am starting to think with the HRV and CRV, the Civic sales number will continue to trend downward much like the Accord (with Passport and Pilot).

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, rperez817 said:

 

Honda has always alternated between revolutionary and evolutionary with successive generations of Civic. 11th gen is clearly evolutionary. Some people might find the styling of new Civic boring compared to 10th gen, that is true. But the 11th gen car still looks way better than any of Honda's crossovers.  

 

We'll have to wait for 3rd party road test reviews to confirm that the engineering excellence in 10th gen Civic hasn't been watered down in 11th gen, but I don't think 11th gen will be the disaster than the 1st year of 9th gen was.

 

I'm biased, as I had a 93 Si hatchback, but my favorite generation is the 5th Gen (followed by 4th, and 6th). The 10th was a total abomination. It's like they let a jr high school kid who had been raised on the fast and the furious franchise design the car.

 

My 93 was a great car especially since I was in college. Put 275k on it after buying it used with 60k. They just don't make cars like that anymore. It had some utility since it was a hatch, fun to drive, easy to maintain,  and thrifty at the pump. As a middle aged adult, I don't know if I would feel the same way now but....nostalgia. 

Edited by jcartwright99

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, akirby said:

Their definition is stupid.  

 

I agree. IHS Markit's definitions of ethnic and multicultural make no sense also because non-Hispanic whites in the USA have many different ethnic groups like Nordic, Anglo, Celtic, Slavic, etc., and multiple cultures like Yankee, Appalachian, Deep Southern, Midwestern, etc. 

 

Anyway, I used the phrase "non-white people" in my post rather than "multicultural" as in the original Honda press release because the IHS Markit definition is simply referring to non-white (and whites who are Hispanic) new car buyers.

 

The word Hispanic as used in the U.S. is stupid too, but that's a subject for another forum.

Edited by rperez817

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
47 minutes ago, jcartwright99 said:

 

I'm biased, as I had a 93 Si hatchback, but my favorite generation is the 5th Gen (followed by 4th, and 6th). The 10th was a total abomination. It's like they let a jr high school kid who had been raised on the fast and the furious franchise design the car.

 

My 93 was a great car especially since I was in college. Put 275k on it after buying it used with 60k. They just don't make cars like that anymore. It had some utility since it was a hatch, fun to drive, easy to maintain,  and thrifty at the pump. As a middle aged adult, I don't know if I would feel the same way now but....nostalgia. 

 

I bought a first year Acura Integra 3 door hatchback in 86 - loved that car.  Bright blue manual.    We had an older used 81 Accord.   Traded for a 88 Civic 4 door.   Traded that for a 91 Accord Sedan.   All great vehicles.   Then we switched to Ford.   Not a big fan of the newer Hondas, but I'd buy one over a chevy or toyota any day of the week.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Is it an Accord or is it a Civic? Generic sedan.

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, akirby said:

 

I bought a first year Acura Integra 3 door hatchback in 86 - loved that car.  Bright blue manual.    We had an older used 81 Accord.   Traded for a 88 Civic 4 door.   Traded that for a 91 Accord Sedan.   All great vehicles.   Then we switched to Ford.   Not a big fan of the newer Hondas, but I'd buy one over a chevy or toyota any day of the week.

 

I almost got a 91 Integra before I found the Civic. I went from a basic manual 97 Escort to a 93 Civic stick. I then realized that my Escort DID NOT have a good stick shift.  Those years for Honda really solidified their sporty/quality reputation.  I came real close to buying a 17 Accord V6 but the AWD/better deals pushed me towards the Fusion. You couldn't pay me to drive most Toyota's even though they are quality appliances. GM...a big nope.

 

I will be interested in pricing and sales for this new Civic compared to their other models.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think it is a HUGE improvement over the last generation.  It looks mature and dare I say, upscale

 

Who cares what the Honda forums say, they'll be buying it.  Most people on forums that own an existing model of a vehicle never seem to like the next generation because the one they have is the "perfect" one.  Then once the new model becomes the norm, it becomes the perfect one and the cycle begins again.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
21 hours ago, jcartwright99 said:

It's OK I guess. Like a miniature Accord to an extent. I don't like the scrunchy face of the new Accord. Interior looks interesting. I like the cheese grater look going across the dash area as it is unique. It will probably get fantastic MPG.

 

It will do ok for the Honda loyalist who absolutely wants a fuel efficient, cheaper sedan. I just can't see paying for this knowing I could get a CRV for a bit more. I am starting to think with the HRV and CRV, the Civic sales number will continue to trend downward much like the Accord (with Passport and Pilot).

 

 

Yeah, I like the honeycomb/cheese grater cover for the air vents.  Looks more unique than the horizontal stakes most companies are doing on their full width air vents these days.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
22 hours ago, jcartwright99 said:

It's OK I guess. Like a miniature Accord to an extent. I don't like the scrunchy face of the new Accord. Interior looks interesting. I like the cheese grater look going across the dash area as it is unique. It will probably get fantastic MPG.

 

It will do ok for the Honda loyalist who absolutely wants a fuel efficient, cheaper sedan. I just can't see paying for this knowing I could get a CRV for a bit more. I am starting to think with the HRV and CRV, the Civic sales number will continue to trend downward much like the Accord (with Passport and Pilot).

 

Civic sales have held up reasonably well, considering the effects of the pandemic and the age of the current model.

 

The Accord is the one that has been getting hammered from all sides.

 

Many people who prefer a car either buy a less-expensive Civic, or move up to a low-level luxury sedan via a lease (most of the Accords I see at the local dealer sticker for at least $30,000). People who want room move up to a crossover. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I prefer the previous generation.  This one is rather boring by comparison, and doesn’t stand out as much.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

×