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3rd shift being added to Maverick production in July

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38 minutes ago, LSchicago said:

It wouldn't get that city driving in my area. Way too many stop signs, red lights and traffic. You'd be lucky to get 12 around town here. 


I like to joke that rush hour means it takes me 6 minutes to get to Home Depot instead of 5. 😂

 

That said it also results in a lot of really short trips where the engine barely has time to warm up so that doesn’t help.

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40 minutes ago, LSchicago said:

It wouldn't get that city driving in my area. Way too many stop signs, red lights and traffic. You'd be lucky to get 12 around town here. 

 

That is where stop-start shines in making an improvement in gas mileage. 

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32 minutes ago, silvrsvt said:

 

That is where stop-start shines in making an improvement in gas mileage. 


To a degree yes but it doesn’t compensate for having to come to a complete stop then accelerate up to speed repeatedly.

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1 hour ago, akirby said:


My 3.5LEB F150 gets between 18-21 in local driving and 25-28 on the highway depending on speed.


That’s about what my Flex gets. 

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2 hours ago, silvrsvt said:

 

That is where stop-start shines in making an improvement in gas mileage. 

Wife had that on her 2018 Buick Encore with it's puny little engine. Result was 18.7 in the city. LOL. She had an 16 mile commute that took 60-75 minutes. 

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2 hours ago, silvrsvt said:

 

That is where stop-start shines in making an improvement in gas mileage. 


for some reason on Broncos, stop start works intermittently, especially if you have the doors off.

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46 minutes ago, LSchicago said:

Wife had that on her 2018 Buick Encore with its puny little engine. Result was 18.7 in the city. LOL. 


Without it she would have gotten 16 mpg.  LOL

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40 minutes ago, rmc523 said:


for some reason on Broncos, stop start works intermittently, especially if you have the doors off.


Probably the safety with the push button start where it kicks on the engine when a door is open to remind the driver to turn off the engine. Is it when it gets put in park when it kicks on?

Like if you take your seatbelt off and open the drivers door it will automatically go into park if you're stopped/low speed.

Have to save the idiots of the world...

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28 minutes ago, jasonj80 said:


Probably the safety with the push button start where it kicks on the engine when a door is open to remind the driver to turn off the engine. Is it when it gets put in park when it kicks on?

Like if you take your seatbelt off and open the drivers door it will automatically go into park if you're stopped/low speed.

Have to save the idiots of the world...


Bronco has a physical shifter so it doesn’t do that.

 

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1 hour ago, akirby said:


Without it she would have gotten 16 mpg.  LOL

What was that a 1.2 turbo? her 2.0 turbo escape got 17-18. I don't think start stop helps much in stop and go. While waiting for a train, or a long light it will help more. 

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29 minutes ago, LSchicago said:

What was that a 1.2 turbo? her 2.0 turbo escape got 17-18. I don't think start stop helps much in stop and go. While waiting for a train, or a long light it will help more. 


It helps any time you’re stopped even for a few seconds,  But obviously the longer you’re stopped the better it works.  I lost 2 mpg when mine stopped working.

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28 minutes ago, akirby said:


It helps any time you’re stopped even for a few seconds,  But obviously the longer you’re stopped the better it works.  I lost 2 mpg when mine stopped working.

Well then those little Korean built Encore motors must really suck without it. 

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On 1/24/2023 at 5:46 PM, silvrsvt said:

 

And I'm assuming the only light at the end of the tunnel is when BOC and other battery plants come on line in the next 36 months or so?

 

The second Ford-SK battery plant in Georgia should be open in 2023. Perhaps that is why Ford is scheduling a 3rd shift for Maverick. They think they get now get enough batteries for some high in demand builds. 

 

Plant 1 opened in 2022 and supplies F-150 Lightning 

Plant 2 opens in 2023 and supplies ???

Plant 3 (Blueoval TN) opens in 2024 and supplies Explorer (that's a guess)

Plant 4 (Blueoval KY) opens in 2025 and should have enough to supply 2nd gen Lightning, and perhaps Escape too

 

Ford has separate investment planned with CATL to build batteries for 2nd gen Mach E for 2026. Was supposed to be in VA but who know where it will land.

 

Current Mach E and Transit battery is supplied by LG Chem which doesn't figure into Ford's strategic plan but Ford will probably continue to buy battery from it as needed.

Ford SK plant.jpg

 

If you are doing the math... Ford US should have 21.5 GWh of in-house battery capacity by end of 2023. Triple that to about 65 GWh by end of 2024, and more than double again by end of 2025 to 150.5 GWh. The CATL investment will add even more to the 150.5 GWh.

 

These numbers seem abstract so here are some comparison...

 

From January 2021 to September 2022 (so 21 months total), Tesla delivered 1.85 million EV equal to 133 GWh of battery worldwide. So if you are trying to put into context what Ford is thinking, basically it is scaling up to compete with Tesla.

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On 1/25/2023 at 9:19 PM, bzcat said:

 

The second Ford-SK battery plant in Georgia should be open in 2023. Perhaps that is why Ford is scheduling a 3rd shift for Maverick. They think they get now get enough batteries for some high in demand builds. 

 

Plant 1 opened in 2022 and supplies F-150 Lightning 

Plant 2 opens in 2023 and supplies ???

Plant 3 (Blueoval TN) opens in 2024 and supplies Explorer (that's a guess)

Plant 4 (Blueoval KY) opens in 2025 and should have enough to supply 2nd gen Lightning, and perhaps Escape too

 

Ford has separate investment planned with CATL to build batteries for 2nd gen Mach E for 2026. Was supposed to be in VA but who know where it will land.

 

Current Mach E and Transit battery is supplied by LG Chem which doesn't figure into Ford's strategic plan but Ford will probably continue to buy battery from it as needed.

Ford SK plant.jpg

 

If you are doing the math... Ford US should have 21.5 GWh of in-house battery capacity by end of 2023. Triple that to about 65 GWh by end of 2024, and more than double again by end of 2025 to 150.5 GWh. The CATL investment will add even more to the 150.5 GWh.

 

These numbers seem abstract so here are some comparison...

 

From January 2021 to September 2022 (so 21 months total), Tesla delivered 1.85 million EV equal to 133 GWh of battery worldwide. So if you are trying to put into context what Ford is thinking, basically it is scaling up to compete with Tesla.


Obviously Elon speaking and Elon time, but looks like Tesla is scaling up to move even further ahead in this sector https://insideevs.com/news/633112/tesla-targets-500-gwh-annual-production-4680-cells-in-nevada/amp/
 

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