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Dealers are not required to accept X-plan and if they do, they can limit what models they accept it for. Just because they will sell you an MkC or Nautilus on X-plan doesn't mean they have to sell a Navigator or Aviator on plan pricing. Ford specifically excludes certain models.

Who is getting a 10% discount on an X7? Do you have any listings that back that up? 2% to 5% is a lot more realistic and you would probably be hard pressed to get that.

Probably just didn't get them to fit right. Happens sometimes.

That is a sweet deal. Care to divulge how/where?

Could be. Either way it is interesting to see that the OEM line shows about an 11% driveline loss at peak torque, but a 23% loss at peak horsepower. So the engines appear to be putting out more initial torque than Ford advertised, or there is something funky going on during these dyno runs. For comparison: ST via Car and Driver is 400hp @5500 / 415lbft @3500 rpm. Lincoln has the same horsepower but published 415lbft @3000 rpm for torque. Livernois had 322hp @5000 and 406lbft @3400 (theirs has a strange hump between 3000 and 3700 rpm. Some of this may be due to temperature, pressure, and humidity, but wouldn't think they would be as far apart as they are. In both cases though the engines look like they are getting more boost down low and the peak horsepower is coming in 5000 rpm and peak torque at 3500 rpm. The horsepower looks to flatten out from 5000 to 5500 rpm, the torque rise makes a break over around 2500 rpm and has a gradual rise to 3500 rpm (I would assume this is where the turbos are reaching peak boost). You might also find out if they are using manual mode to hold the 1:1 gear ratio on the pull (7th I think).

I think 5 Stars two highest pulls are both E50 runs, the 311/372 run is stock tune on 93 octane. Here is there chart with the 93 octane performance tune added.

Dealers are not required to accept plan pricing. On Navigator's, supply has been constrained enough that they could sell every one they were allocated for sticker. Larger dealers might be more willing to deal, especially if they have several on the lot. I think the supply has finally started to pick up. Hopeful that the 2020's are more plentiful.

First thing I see is that their stock 93 octane run doesn't come close to Livernois's stock 93 run, makes me wonder about the variation in the motors. 5 Star's looks much closer to what a normal engine should be. Second thing is the tune on E50. Either use E85 (more common) or keep it at 93 octane for a direct comparison with stock.

Maybe this will be a good candidate as a swap for the 390FE in the 60's large sedans. I know a Coyote is too wide to fit between the shock towers on my old man's 61 Sunliner.

FYI, from what I have heard the 2020 Lincoln Play system will still be the same overall operating system, but will have the built in DVD. Haven't confirmed if it is single or dual, but based on digging through the Voxx-Hirschmann Automotive information, it appears it will be a single DVD on one side only.

Already posted in two other locations.

In what world is a buyer cross shopping a Honda Clarity with an Aviator GT?!

If you are more price conscious and concerned about value the 2019 Expedition Platinum is probably the best value right now. Shop around and you can find dealers with great deals below invoice as they start clearing out the 2019's (2020's arrive ~Novermber). I have test driven both. Room wise they are the same. The Navigator has more comfort and more power which is a little offset by its heavier weight. The HUD on the Navigator is awesome. That being said though I am still leaning heavily to the Expedition mainly due to price difference, unless I can find a Lincoln Dealer willing to make a deal (my local dealer won't budge off of MSRP yet). The pick up and delivery is great. Sometimes they don't always leave a loaner if it is just a quick oil change, but most of the time they will. You do have to schedule in advance for that, but it isn't an issue. We have an MkC and they usually use another MkC or MkX for the loaner. They haven't upgraded to the Nautilus yet. I think the Navigator owners get another Navigator, but the one ours uses is the Select or no option Reserve.

There are no facts that say they could have put in a 30% larger battery. They may have been able too, but they also may have been limited by the available space under the floor. Every design comes with trade-off's. What we do know is that they designed the batter and motor to fit within the existing structure without changing any interior volume or any significant reduction in fuel tank size. Perhaps wait a few years until the full BEV 3 row SUV arrives. If I decide to go with the Aviator it will be the GT.

No, adaptive suspension is a self adjusting system like a MagneRide type system, just maybe not that specific brand.

Thanks, the "currently in production" was what I was wanting to know.

This is a dealer stock unit just wanting to figure out when it might actually arrive. Thank you. 5LM5J7XC8LGL02460

It will be interesting to see what the final ratings on the electric motor are and what RPM they are achieving peak torque and power on the combined system. Either way looks like a winner. 20 to 25 miles EV range would make my daily commute gas free. Figuring about 4600 miles a year commuting at my current 18 mpg on the '12 Explorer, and figuring $2.50 gallon for gas and I am looking at around $630 per year saved in gas. Factoring in $0.10/kWh it would break even over 8 year life. But that doesn't include any benefits on city MPG or non-commuting driving.

The 2020 Explorer is 48 in wide behind the 3rd row and that is pretty even with the 3rd row folded because the cupholders sit flush with the seats when folded. My 2012 Explorer is 42 in wide at the narrowest point with the 3rd row folded.

Fordpartner.com is the site for X-plan. That is where you have to put in your company code to apply for ac pin and get pricing.

Only in these 7 states: California Massachusetts New Jersey North Carolina Ohio Virginia Washington

Why don't you just order another one? Dealer will sell the first one to someone else. You aren't obligated to buy it or take delivery.

The images are probably blocked on your computer due to corporate filtering. As for the history, there is nothing on there, looks like it was bought and sold a couple of times privately, or perhaps transferred in a family. Maybe a fleet vehicle, who knows.

They have the ultimate trailer tow camera system on the F250 and F350. It isn't wireless though. I am not sure if it is compatible with other wired camera systems out there.