silvrsvt Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share Posted March 5, 2007 You people are completely missing the point. Starting with this generation, the Mustang's audience became much broader than before. Johnny Redneck in his 20's might only want a fast, cheap & lean Stang. Joe Cash in his 30's-50's wouldn't mind paying more for a fully loaded hi-po Stang with a hardtop and other goodies. These people couldn't care less about the Thunderbird or the Cougar. They've the cash and a "Mustang" is their modern cheap Porsche. And get real already, no one gives a shit about Lincoln or Mercury (at least not now). You're kidding yourselves if you think someone would rather have a Cougar than a special edition Mustang like the Shelby, GT-H, etc. The Cougar nameplate doesn't have this "OMG INSTANT LEGEND/DESIRABILITY" status to it, even among Ford fans. If you think some of those options would make the Mustang a "luxury" car, then you might as well consider the new Malibu and Sebring as cars for the royalty. Luxury is far more than that these days. Holy crap I actually agree with you on this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Holy crap I actually agree with you on this! has Lincoln EVER had a nameplate that stirred the loins? Actually asking a serious question....I for the life of me can't think of a single one that would arouse my curiousity... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share Posted March 5, 2007 has Lincoln EVER had a nameplate that stirred the loins? Actually asking a serious question....I for the life of me can't think of a single one that would arouse my curiousity... Way before my time...I'm 32 BTW LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 You people are completely missing the point. Starting with this generation, the Mustang's audience became much broader than before. Johnny Redneck in his 20's might only want a fast, cheap & lean Stang. Joe Cash in his 30's-50's wouldn't mind paying more for a fully loaded hi-po Stang with a hardtop and other goodies. These people couldn't care less about the Thunderbird or the Cougar. They've the cash and a "Mustang" is their modern cheap Porsche. And get real already, no one gives a shit about Lincoln or Mercury (at least not now). You're kidding yourselves if you think someone would rather have a Cougar than a special edition Mustang like the Shelby, GT-H, etc. The Cougar nameplate doesn't have this "OMG INSTANT LEGEND/DESIRABILITY" status to it, even among Ford fans. If you think some of those options would make the Mustang a "luxury" car, then you might as well consider the new Malibu and Sebring as cars for the royalty. Luxury is far more than that these days. What you say may be true for the most part, and in a way I agree with you. However, if all of these things are stuffed into a Mustang (or other Ford model) what does that leave left for Mercury or Lincoln to do? True, they don't have the desirability or instant legend status of a Mustang, but Ford really needs to get in gear with L-M if they want to rebuild any of the credibility of those brands that has been missing for so long. If everything latest-and-greatest is acceptable in a Ford-branded vehicle, why not just axe the Lincoln-Mercury divisions now and get it over with? Why build luxury cars at all? Just stuff everything in Ford vehicles as options. That could work, but more likely you'll end up with super-expensive Blue Oval vehicles that people won't look at twice because they could get a luxury car for that same price - and no matter how much jewelry you put on a Ford, it will never be a luxury car as long as it's wearing a Blue Oval. Some people will only buy a "luxury" car, even if it's in fact less luxurious than a lot of vehicles from mainstream brands. Compare the Lexus ES350 to the Toyota Avalon for example. The Avalon is a more complete car in every way, yet there are many who buy the Lexus instead, mostly because of the badges on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 As far as driver room goes, it's really no more cramped than my Mazda6. Not a vehicle noted for its spacious interior. What are you? 5'3"? (you know I'm just jerking your chain, right?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 (edited) Not a vehicle noted for its spacious interior. What are you? 5'3"? (you know I'm just jerking your chain, right?) I'm no giant at 5'9", but my younger brother rings in at 6'2" and he seems to fit in both vehicles just fine. And yeah, I know the Mazda6 isn't known for a cavernous interior, but it is certainly spacious by many coupe standards. Edited March 5, 2007 by NickF1011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share Posted March 5, 2007 What you say may be true for the most part, and in a way I agree with you. However, if all of these things are stuffed into a Mustang (or other Ford model) what does that leave left for Mercury or Lincoln to do? True, they don't have the desirability or instant legend status of a Mustang, but Ford really needs to get in gear with L-M if they want to rebuild any of the credibility of those brands that has been missing for so long. If everything latest-and-greatest is acceptable in a Ford-branded vehicle, why not just axe the Lincoln-Mercury divisions now and get it over with? Why build luxury cars at all? Just stuff everything in Ford vehicles as options. That could work, but more likely you'll end up with super-expensive Blue Oval vehicles that people won't look at twice because they could get a luxury car for that same price - and no matter how much jewelry you put on a Ford, it will never be a luxury car as long as it's wearing a Blue Oval. Some people will only buy a "luxury" car, even if it's in fact less luxurious than a lot of vehicles from mainstream brands. Compare the Lexus ES350 to the Toyota Avalon for example. The Avalon is a more complete car in every way, yet there are many who buy the Lexus instead, mostly because of the badges on it. Well thats the thing, the Mustang and F-series are there own little brands within Ford (and it shows since they are the only two that haven't been seriously screwed up in the past 20 yrs)..I would like to see a Lincoln based on the Mustang, but with AAI building as many Mustangs as it can and with the new 6 coming online next year, I don't see how they can fit in there, unless the remove the Mustang and build it along with the MKR and Interceptor some place else. A luxury buyer would never look at a Mustang in the first place, but I'm sure that pently of older Mustang owners and future owners would pay good money to have some extra tech in the car that might only be found on a Luxury car. Plus who knows whats going on with Mercury...the D3 mercury is gone in 2010 and the MetaOne never made it off test prototypes. I haven't seen or heard anything new in the pipe for them either...not a good sign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustang_Marty Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 People are getting larger and larger...I'm glad they made the car so I can fit my 6'2 ass into it. Its worlds better then the old SN95, which had about the same interior space as my 86 Escort GT. its not macho to force yourself into a car...I like the Sky and Solstice, but I said in one and I couldn't even fit my feet into the wheel wheels with the seat all the way back. Back in the day, I could easily 'make out' in the back seat of my 79 Mustang. Today, I can bearly get my fat ass in the back seat of my SN95. The new Mustang is a little better on backseat legroom, but it's still lacking in rear headroom.... something that my son's 79 coupe has plenty of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmatt21 Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 it is nice to see the V8 standard but as for the twin turbo V6 i'm not sure how to feel. to me it's just not mustang. same with the retractable hardtop, as nice of an option it would be it just doesn't fit the mustang although it would be nice to finally have a competitor for the sebring. as for the rear camera, park assist, cruise control and heated/cooled cupholders i wouldn't want them on a mustang but i guess the cupholders or cruise control could be seen as good options. if ford can really bring the IRS in as an option for $200 even under $500 i think it would be a hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Question: Is Engine Y a Boss, Modular or a Duratec 37 with an extra cylinder bank? That would be cool. TwinForce in a Mustang? Lincoln for sure or a Cougar...definitely. Don't know about the Mustang. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixt9coug Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 You people are completely missing the point. Starting with this generation, the Mustang's audience became much broader than before. Johnny Redneck in his 20's might only want a fast, cheap & lean Stang. Joe Cash in his 30's-50's wouldn't mind paying more for a fully loaded hi-po Stang with a hardtop and other goodies. These people couldn't care less about the Thunderbird or the Cougar. They've the cash and a "Mustang" is their modern cheap Porsche. And get real already, no one gives a shit about Lincoln or Mercury (at least not now). You're kidding yourselves if you think someone would rather have a Cougar than a special edition Mustang like the Shelby, GT-H, etc. The Cougar nameplate doesn't have this "OMG INSTANT LEGEND/DESIRABILITY" status to it, even among Ford fans. If you think some of those options would make the Mustang a "luxury" car, then you might as well consider the new Malibu and Sebring as cars for the royalty. Luxury is far more than that these days. Im 25, and im sick of the Mustang already. i would prefer to survery to have this option - "- Scale down the Mustang to its roots. A small sporty coupe with an optional V8 at an affordable price. Bring another car to the lineup to fill the void of a midsized sporty car similar to the Ford Torino's of the past with RWD. " Im sorry Ford, the Mustang cannot be all to all people. No matter what stickers are on the car, at the end of the day its still a Mustang. And its still not on the short list of what i would buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchdevil Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 (edited) Im 25, and im sick of the Mustang already. There are some people that are sick of the Mustang and want something different. Ford can't survive alone on Mustangs and F-150's. People are buying other types of cars and they are not lining up at Ford dealers to get them. There is nothing wrong with bringing a few options to the Mustang that should have already been in the works to stay credible as a leader and not a follower. No matter how many people love a Mustang, rich or poor, old or young... There are going to be a great number of people who would rather be offered an alternative. Even within the same genre of cars, there are people lining up and waiting to buy Camaros and Challengers because they want something different and they may be loyal to their favorite brand or nameplate. There are those who would like a roomy coupe or 4-door with the performance of a Mustang. And there are those that won't attach themselves to a Mustang nameplate at all because they don't want the image at any cost or option availiability. Ford just sits back with no other plans... No commitments... Expecting F-150's and Mustangs to carry the burden of supporting the existance of Ford Motor Company while fumbling around with everything thing else they sell.... Anyway some of these ordained Gods of Ford on here have the same mentality that got Ford in trouble in the first place.... Giving up on everything else while focusing on only a few core products to carry the burdens for Ford. I love the people here who love their Cougars... I wish they were not made to feel like idiots for still having the passion for them... And i wish Ford felt the same way... Edited March 6, 2007 by Watchdevil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchdevil Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Or you can make the whole freakin car smaller. The S197 looks like a land barge parked next to a fox body. I feel there's plenty of room inside those for what they are: 2+2 coupes. There's no need for the Mustang to be as large as it is now. There isn't supposed to be a useable back seat. You aren't supposed to be able to stretch out your legs straight ahead of you in the front seats. Ford made the car too damn big. THAT'S the problem. Shrink its proportions down a little on the next redesign and you'll have a lighter car again - without having to use fancy-shmancy exotic materials. I was noticing a 2004 Mustang parked perfectly in line with a 2006 model at a dealership not too long ago. I know the wheelbase of the new car is longer but the whole damnned car is considerably longer. I suppose that accounts somewhat for the new Mustang feeling like a bulky heavy pre-74 model compared to the 94 and 99 models i used to have which felt more nimble and lighter. The new ones are all hood... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 I was noticing a 2004 Mustang parked perfectly in line with a 2006 model at a dealership not too long ago. I know the wheelbase of the new car is longer but the whole damnned car is considerably longer. I suppose that accounts somewhat for the new Mustang feeling like a bulky heavy pre-74 model compared to the 94 and 99 models i used to have which felt more nimble and lighter. The new ones are all hood... Yeah, the whole thing was just scaled up by like 30%. I saw a GT500 in the Disney World parking lot when I was down there last week. The snakes on the fender and grille are nearly twice the size of the emblems on my '97 Cobra. They look to-scale on the GT500 but they would look flat out ridiculous on an SN95. The S197's are simply too bulky looking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZanatWork Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Or you can make the whole freakin car smaller. The S197 looks like a land barge parked next to a fox body. I feel there's plenty of room inside those for what they are: 2+2 coupes. There's no need for the Mustang to be as large as it is now. There isn't supposed to be a useable back seat. You aren't supposed to be able to stretch out your legs straight ahead of you in the front seats. Ford made the car too damn big. THAT'S the problem. Shrink its proportions down a little on the next redesign and you'll have a lighter car again - without having to use fancy-shmancy exotic materials. Bite your tongue...or at least your fingers. At 6'4", the Mustang is one of the very few performance coupes I CAN drive...don't even joke about cramping its interior, particularly the driver's area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnFan Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 The suspension of the new Mustang must be done by FoE otherwise, it would fail to deliver. I am now a happy owner of the C1 Focus, and I have to say this FWD box handles 10 times better than my old POS Holden RWD crap. LET FOE OR JAG DESIGN THE NEW SUSPENSIONS PLEASE, FOAm SUCKS ASS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 The suspension of the new Mustang must be done by FoE otherwise, it would fail to deliver. I am now a happy owner of the C1 Focus, and I have to say this FWD box handles 10 times better than my old POS Holden RWD crap. LET FOE OR JAG DESIGN THE NEW SUSPENSIONS PLEASE, FOAm SUCKS ASS. And exactly how many S197 Mustangs have you driven to come to this conclusion? You obviously have paid zero attention to the FR500C's success in Grand Am racing with that "ass sucking" FoA suspension design. I fail to see anything a Jaguar suspension would bring to the table except a higher cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnFan Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Pfft, sue me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 NEVER say that...someone will, America is the country of litigation remember. And with the IRS issue again...all a case of balancing the weight, cost and performance benefits.....trade-offs..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZanatWork Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 The "FoE or it'll suck" has got to set some kind of record for close-mindedness...as well as for being as unbackable a quote as I've seen in my years here.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 The "FoE or it'll suck" has got to set some kind of record for close-mindedness...as well as for being as unbackable a quote as I've seen in my years here.... Why is everyone OBSESSED with IRS on the Stang? They have that live axle pretty pinned right now, added complexity, re-engineering, weight...ACTUAL: performance benefits, they all add up to more expense...200 bux, I TRULEY doubt it, however ....in a GT500 variant cost prohibitations can get waived thank-you.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZanatWork Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 If they can package IRS as an option for the next one, I'd love it...let people pick for themselves. Even as the $200 option listed on the thread would be fantastic! Less money than a premium stereo upgrade, but something to refine the monster's manners a tad. I'd love to see how many picked which setup. Really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bravestar Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 I received the survey too and i believe, for me, what makes the Mustang "right" is the cruedness. I don't want a IRS (don't care if it rides better, my 07 GT rides great for me). I don't need or want adaptive cruise control (who wants to be held up by traffic ahead of you?) I bought a Mustang GT for a V-8 engine, not a buzzy 4 popper or a wizzing 6cyl. I don't care if either are faster, I like the sound of a V-8. I would like a 6-spd but I have no need for paddle shifters (I like to row the gears conventionally). I don't like climate control (just good for roasting your feet) but I would pay a good deal more money for a larger V-8 option maybe a Boss 5.8. I think that my thoughts are not very different from most of the Mustang enthusiast that actually buy the car instead of internet message boards and car magazines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 I received the survey too and i believe, for me, what makes the Mustang "right" is the cruedness. I don't want a IRS (don't care if it rides better, my 07 GT rides great for me). I don't need or want adaptive cruise control (who wants to be held up by traffic ahead of you?) I bought a Mustang GT for a V-8 engine, not a buzzy 4 popper or a wizzing 6cyl. I don't care if either are faster, I like the sound of a V-8. I would like a 6-spd but I have no need for paddle shifters (I like to row the gears conventionally). I don't like climate control (just good for roasting your feet) but I would pay a good deal more money for a larger V-8 option maybe a Boss 5.8. I think that my thoughts are not very different from most of the Mustang enthusiast that actually buy the car instead of internet message boards and car magazines. TWO THUMBS UP! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Selby Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 I received the survey too and i believe, for me, what makes the Mustang "right" is the cruedness. I don't want a IRS (don't care if it rides better, my 07 GT rides great for me). I don't need or want adaptive cruise control (who wants to be held up by traffic ahead of you?) I bought a Mustang GT for a V-8 engine, not a buzzy 4 popper or a wizzing 6cyl. I don't care if either are faster, I like the sound of a V-8. I would like a 6-spd but I have no need for paddle shifters (I like to row the gears conventionally). I don't like climate control (just good for roasting your feet) but I would pay a good deal more money for a larger V-8 option maybe a Boss 5.8. I think that my thoughts are not very different from most of the Mustang enthusiast that actually buy the car instead of internet message boards and car magazines. Right on, I'm with you 100%. Last quote is worth a repeat. I think that my thoughts are not very different from most of the Mustang enthusiast that actually buy the car instead of internet message boards and car magazines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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