RichardJensen Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 Qualifications? I wouldn't consider that any kind of qualifications to be an expert on the auto industry. P.S. I don't think the moderator is supposed to swear. 1) What ARE your qualifications 2) The Moderator gets to do what he wants. Just thank your lucky stars that I'm as nice as I am 3) This is a jackass: ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluecon Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 2) The Moderator gets to do what he wants. Just thank your lucky stars that I'm as nice as I am... Another internet tough guy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 Another internet tough guy! Just another troll :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reynolds Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 Isn't it funny to see the Japanese benchmark American car companies for once. How about that tailgate assist, I wonder where that came from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bri719 Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 2 words: nice try the thing looks like a bigger Tacoma. and what's with that blue? hey Toyota, I thought you were trying to steal FULL sized truck buyers. btw, most of them like their trucks white (so they can get them dirty, no doubt). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 Another internet tough guy! I'm sorry I didn't quite catch what your qualifications were... Could you repeat them for me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptschett Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 There's nothing wrong with 5-bolt wheels on 1/2-ton pickups as long as the bolt circle is sufficiently large to keep the forces on the lugs manageable. I think the advantage to a 6-bolt pattern is you can decrease the bolt circle size, lose some rotating mass from the hub, wheel, and rotor, and perhaps gain some swept area on the brake rotors in exchange for a little more machining and assembly work. Heck... my granddad has a medium-duty farm truck which has 5-bolt budd wheels all around, even on the rear duals, and it GVWs at 10 tons. The bolt circles are huge (9"-10" IIRC) but I don't think the wheels have ever been much of a problem (those old IH trucks are TOUGH.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebritt Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 Is it just my eyeballs or does the frame disappear under the engine cradle??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueblood Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 Is it just my eyeballs or does the frame disappear under the engine cradle??? I was wondering the same thing, it lookslike it just stops, I'm assuming it's just hidden from view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2005Explorer Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 Ford has always taken the full sized pickup market very seriously and they will do whatever it takes to keep their F-Series one step ahead. Other then more power, this thing really does not improve on the last Tundra. Sure they copied Ford and added the tailgate assist and the outboard mounted shocks, but their frame still appears to be weak. Also, everyone says this thing is bigger then the F150. The biggest criticism that I hear about the F150 is it's weight and size. Do you really want a 1/2 pickup any more bulky? Toyota will continue trying to copy the F150, but in the end there is only one F150. Very few people have a negative opinion of the F150. It's legendary in the automobile business. Ford just has to remember how high they have set the bar and keep working on rasing it. I say bring it on. If there is anything that will energize Ford to give us an even better pickup we are all winners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
66fairlane Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Semi trucks use C-type frames. Semi need to have flex in there frames or the frame would crack under load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinb120 Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Hey look where the put the rear shocks. Wonder where they stole idea that from? wow that rear end looks as weak as the little titan pumpkin. another toyota paper tiger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGI Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 How so? I haven't even seen a horsepower rating for the new 5.7L. Toyota's 4.7L w/ DOHC and VVT only made 282hp, yet Ford has their 4.6 making 292-300hp with SOHC and moderate VVT, there's still room for DOHC on Ford's motors (last DOHC 4.6 made 320+hp, last DOHC 5.4 made 385+hp) as well as more advanced VVT. Imagine that the 2007 Tundra model is using the NASCAR 5,8 liter engine at a lower trimlevel giving "only" 400 Hp at 5,7 liter instead of the NASCARs 650 HP. Imagine that they have the new CGI-material in the block. Then Ford might need new engines from Navistar to stay in the market. Navistar just told that they will use CGI in their BIG BORE in 2007. BIG BORE with CGI read more about this supermaterial at Sintercast and the Navistar-connection at Navistar-ICC-CGI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swenson88 Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Imagine that the 2007 Tundra model is using the NASCAR 5,8 liter engine at a lower trimlevel giving "only" 400 Hp at 5,7 liter instead of the NASCARs 650 HP. Imagine that they have the new CGI-material in the block. Then Ford might need new engines from Navistar to stay in the market. Navistar just told that they will use CGI in their BIG BORE in 2007. BIG BORE with CGI read more about this supermaterial at Sintercast and the Navistar-connection at Navistar-ICC-CGI I'm going to guess you work for Navistar, or someone else selling CGI products, but do you know that Toyota is using a detuned Nascar block made with the same materials? Do any other manufacturers use anything from their Nascar vehicles in production models? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DearbornDerek Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Hey look where the put the rear shocks. Wonder where they stole idea that from? Is that duct tape holding the rear axel on? :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one2gamble Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 (edited) I'm going to guess you work for Navistar, or someone else selling CGI products, but do you know that Toyota is using a detuned Nascar block made with the same materials? Do any other manufacturers use anything from their Nascar vehicles in production models? no Edited February 14, 2006 by one2gamble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisH Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Imagine that the 2007 Tundra model is using the NASCAR 5,8 liter engine at a lower trimlevel giving "only" 400 Hp at 5,7 liter instead of the NASCARs 650 HP. Let's see - their "NASCAR" engine is a pushrod engine. They are calling the new 5.7 an I-Force engine, so its design is probably related to the OHC 4.7. I'd bet money there is no relation to the NASCAR engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kris Kolman Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 The NASCAR engine is a competition/race only engine... That's like saying Frod is going to release a turbocharged 2.65L V8 soon. The NASCAR engien isn't even close to have production concerns involved in it's design. You can't taek a NASCAR engine and have a hope of getting it certified let alone pass internal testing. The only thing you could keep would be the cylinder spacing... In fact the only thing remaining production in NASCAR is the Ford Cleveland cylinder spacing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SysEng Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 " and the legendary 4.7-liter i-Force V8," Who deemed them legendary ? Where the "F" did this come from ? Legendary? What a crock.... :lol: ROFL, Now Now, They ARE Legendary! :lol: Who else but Toyota would put a "rubber band" in a truck motor??? :rolleyes: If the new 5.7L Tundra engine has belts instead of steel chains ( or better still a gear train ) running the cams :o :blink: you can pretty much bet Ford has nothing to worry about. Too bad, seems to me the FTX show truck was nicer than this new Tundra. They are so close... and yet so far... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DearbornDerek Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 Lol. Missed that. Does look like duct tape holding the brake lines up, tho. B) If you look real close you will see the "tape" goes up to the frame from the axel. Thought you might like that one. So when do you think the cylons will blow up Pegisus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricers-shaft-blueoval Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 Lets be realistsic: the tundra will increase its sales year after year and toyoda will make a profit on each truck it sells; more profit per sale than an F 150; whether or not it outsells the f 150 is irrelevant: toyoda's motto is the same as that of the brown bomber "they can run but they can't hide" ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one2gamble Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 more than the f150? doubt it increase its sales year after year? maybe if it eats into Titan sales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 Realistically from individual sales, I would say that the Tundra has a good chance at increasing marketshare taking probably a small slice out of Ford, GM and Dodge but probably to a small degree. Perhaps, a bit more of Dodge than Ford and GM, but I really don't think even Dodge will suffer hardly any at all. I suspect that Nissan in its half-ton truck infancy could be most vulnerable to Toyota. I purposely exclude Honda for obvious reasons as with the Ridgeline, I don't think traditional truck buyers will likely buy into Honda's first effort. One thing is for certain though. If you do cringe a bit and consider the Ridgeline in with the half-tons, you've got (6) domestic half-ton trucks with Ford's offerings (F-150 & Mark LT), GM's twosome (Silverado & Sierra) and Dodge Ram. Now, from Japan you have Tundra, Titan and...Ridgeline. That's nine individual brands of half-ton trucks being sold in the US. Due to the domestics' hold on the market and their reputation being better with trucks, I doubt the Japanese are going to 'cake walk' all over Ford, GM and DCX. However, we all know that they're likely here to stay in the half-ton market, and they will chip away. I even suspect that Honda will eventually move to a BOF platform eventually to be taken more seriously. Remember, Toyota has had some growing pains over the years with the T1000 and then the first Tundra attempt. They didn't go away. Nissan's first attempt was a pretty good one. Honda will either give up on their efforts or go back to the drawing board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 I think the Tundra will most likely steal sales from the Tacoma and other 'compact' Asian trucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 If you do cringe a bit and consider the Ridgeline in with the half-tons, you've got (6) domestic half-ton trucks with Ford's offerings (F-150 & Mark LT), GM's twosome (Silverado & Sierra) and Dodge Ram. Now, from Japan you have Tundra, Titan and...Ridgeline. That's nine individual brands of half-ton trucks being sold in the US. New Math? That looks like 8 to me. :lol: Either way you have a point -- the market is getting crowded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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