ManFord Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 (edited) October 2007 Reliability trends Our latest survey tracks a decade’s worth of trouble Over the years, the reliability of Toyota-built vehicles (including Lexus and Scion) has been nothing short of sterling. However, our 2007 Annual Car Reliability Survey indicates that the Japanese automaker has slipped a bit. Three models manufactured by Toyota, including a version of the top-selling Camry, now rate below average in our predicted reliability. By contrast, Ford's domestic makes have made considerable improvements in reliability. Of the Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury models in our survey, 93 percent scored average or better in predicted reliability. Other news from our latest survey: * Overall, Asian models still dominate in reliability, accounting for 34 of the 39 models in the Most reliable new car list. Thirty-one are Japanese and three are South Korean. * Despite Toyota's problems, the automaker still ranks third overall in reliability, behind only Honda and Subaru, with 17 models in the best list. Honda has seven with a smaller model lineup. * Only four domestic models made the Most reliable list: the Ford Fusion, Mercury Milan, Pontiac Vibe, and the two-wheel-drive Ford F-150 with the V6 engine. U.S. makes, however, account for almost half the models--20 of 44--on the Least reliable list. There are 13 from GM, 6 from Chrysler, and 1 from Ford. * European makes account for 17 models on the Least reliable list. This includes six each from Mercedes-Benz and Volkswagen/Audi. More at link:http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/pr...rview/index.htm Ford quality improves, Toyota drops, Consumer Reports says The Detroit News Ford Motor Co. has significantly improved the quality of its cars and trucks, while Toyota Motor Co. slipped out of the No. 1 spot in Consumer Reports newest survey on vehicle reliability. According to data released today by the well-read consumer advocacy publication, 41 of Ford's 44 models scored average or better in predicted reliability. Honda Motor Co., meanwhile, edged Toyota out of the top spot. Three Toyota vehicles lost Consumer Report's "buy" recommendation. For the first time in the survey's history, a version of the Toyota Camry - the V6 - isn't recommended by the publication. http://detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic...PDATE/710160435 Edited October 16, 2007 by ManFord Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManFord Posted October 16, 2007 Author Share Posted October 16, 2007 (edited) CNNMoney Domestic manufacturers General Motors (Charts, Fortune 500), Ford (Charts, Fortune 500) and Chrysler continued to improve in the Consumer Reports reliability rankings. But only Buick, GM's near-luxury brand ranked number 10, made into the top ten. Among individual models, GM's closely related GMC Acadia and Saturn Outlook SUVs earned a Consumer Reports recommendation based on their first full year of data. The Dodge Charger also earned a recommendation after its reliability showed substantial improvement from previous years. Ford, in particular, is improving in quality, according to Consumer Reports. In all, 93 percent of Ford, Lincoln and Mercury vehicles showed average or better reliability in the most recent reliability survey. Among overall brands, Ford's Mercury brand ranked 11th, the Ford brand ranked 13th and the Lincoln luxury brand ranked 14th. Other than Buick, they were the highest-ranking domestic brands. http://money.cnn.com/2007/10/16/autos/cr_r...dex.htm?cnn=yes Edited October 16, 2007 by ManFord Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 This is the big one --- http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/071016/autos_reliability.html?.v=1 "Consumer Reports will no longer recommend any new or redesigned Toyota-built models without reliability data on a specific design," the publication said in a statement. "Previously, new and redesigned models were recommended because of the automaker's excellent track record." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang84isu Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 (edited) Toyota's slippery slope just keeps getting more slippery. n the past, because Toyota (Charts) products have so consistently proved reliable, the magazine would assume at least average reliability for Toyota's brand new cars, without waiting for survey data from owners. But from now on, the magazine will wait for a full year of reliability survey data to come in before it recommends a Toyota product - as it does with most other manufacturers. CR has now announced that it is complete rubbish. Unbiased and fair...hah! Edited October 16, 2007 by mustang84isu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 What is the least reliable Ford? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAC_Sparky Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Toyota's slippery slope just keeps getting more slippery.CR has now announced that it is complete rubbish. Unbiased and fair...hah! This is something that was taken for granted by most here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManFord Posted October 16, 2007 Author Share Posted October 16, 2007 What is the least reliable Ford? I was wondering the same thing..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 What is the least reliable Ford? earlier focus's, Windstars....and the dreaded 6.0????? those are all past tense so i am curious as well.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 earlier focus's, Windstars....and the dreaded 6.0????? those are all past tense so i am curious as well.... Well by reading here, I would say Expedition... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reynolds Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 earlier focus's, Windstars....and the dreaded 6.0????? those are all past tense so i am curious as well.... Those wouldn't be included because they aren't new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reynolds Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 The POS Fusion was listed as recommended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyb82 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 I'd guess Freestar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 I'd guess Freestar. no longer made....a moment of silence please..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ds91776 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 So that means that: -Fusion recommended -Taurus recommended -Focus recommended -Escape recommended (finally its been doing great in quality for the last few years) -Taurus X recommended These are the ones we know from last years survey. Last year the following were below average -Mustang -F-150 -Expedition -Explorer -Ranger (because of lack of testing) -Freestar -Sport Trac But this year (2008) -Edge must be recommended now -F-150 improved to average? -Mustang improved to average again? So that leaves the Ranger, Explorer, Sport Trac, and Expedition -I wonder if the 07 redesign/update improved it to average, I mean if 93% of models are recommended that means that only two or three from Ford are not recommended by CR. Does anybody know when their 2008 guide comes out? I've been waiting to see if the Edge continues Ford's leaps and bounds in quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkaresh Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 This is the big one --- http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/071016/autos_reliability.html?.v=1 "Consumer Reports will no longer recommend any new or redesigned Toyota-built models without reliability data on a specific design," the publication said in a statement. "Previously, new and redesigned models were recommended because of the automaker's excellent track record." This is the biggest news of all. TrueDelta.com reported problems with the Camry V6 a couple months ago. Just the other day I said a black dot was coming, and wondered what impact it would have on CR's practices. Now we know. Many of you have been helping me create an alternative. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grbeck Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 What is the least reliable Ford? I'll bet the Lincoln Navigator. It hasn't fared too well in past ratings. Note the that the Cadillac Escalade EXT is one of the two most unreliable models in the newest surveys. And while the have been plenty of Consumer Reports bashers on this site, this can only be good news for Ford. Like it or not, lots of new car buyers DO trust the magazine. If Ford scores well, it can only help. (For what it's worth, the problems with our two cars - 2003 Accord four cylinder and 2005 Focus sedan - have tracked the magazine's reliability charts pretty closely.) I especially like the comment regarding the consistency of Ford's improvements. This is as important as the improvements themselves. Shows that Ford is internalizing processes and procedures that are yielding long-term improvements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shllshck Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 This is grreat news for Ford. Now I hope to see Ford touting more of their reliability in their advertising. 41 of 44 being recommended is pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Other findings of the survey: *Of domestic models rated, 93 percent of Ford, 49 percent of GM and 67 percent of Chrysler models had average or better predicted reliability *Thirty-four of 39 models on the "most reliable" list are Asian. *The Pontiac Solstice has the worst new-car prediction score in the survey *Among 36 makes, Land Rover is least reliable on average. Ford has picked up reliability across the board - still room for improvement but compared to GM and Chrysler it's a long way in front!! Now Ford needs to fill more of those "most reliable" places occupied by Asian cars, that's the ticket to winning back the American public - good products that are reliable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Ford has picked up reliability across the board - still room for improvementbut compared to GM and Chrysler it's a long way in front!! Now Ford needs to fill more of those "most reliable" places occupied by Asian cars, that's the ticket to winning back the American public - good products that are reliable! I think that getting rid of LR is really a good thing based on this. Ford would no longer own the least reliable brand in production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 I think that getting rid of LR is really a good thing based on this. Ford would no longer own the least reliable brand in production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnFan Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 I think that getting rid of LR is really a good thing based on this. Ford would no longer own the least reliable brand in production. Yeah, and Jaguar will be off Ford's chart. So that's another relief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Yeah, and Jaguar will be off Ford's chart. So that's another relief. LOL.......RELENTLESS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe771476 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 The head engineer at Consumer Reports supposedly used to work for Nissan. No wonder he favors the Jap cars! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Jaguar reliability is a long way from Land Rover's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockFX Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Jaguar reliability is a long way from Land Rover's Quirky British products? EGADS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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