silvrsvt Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Kinda like the B-52, which flies on and on and on, over 50 years now. The last B-52 built is older then most of the men who fly it...we are still stuck building Panthers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 The last B-52 built is older then most of the men who fly it...we are still stuck building Panthers the worshippers can keep their Panthers, bring on a replacement...Interceptor stlye....I doubt THAT will even stop the bleating.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 The last B-52 built is older then most of the men who fly it...we are still stuck building Panthers It is said that when the last B-2 Spirit is parked beside the B-1 at the USAF Museum, its crew will get a ride home on a B-52. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 It is said that when the last B-2 Spirit is parked beside the B-1 at the USAF Museum, its crew will get a ride home on a B-52. So they say....the rate of change in the defense industry is rather unpredictable though. Not to mention B-52's aren't typically used as transports. :P I get the point though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 (edited) 2005 Ford Five Hundred 0-60 is 7.61 and 15.9@89.9mph in the 1/42008 Ford Taurus 0-60 is 7.08 and 15.6@92.1mph in the 1/4 mile .53 and .3 seconds respectively I have farts that last longer than that. So not long at all. No where near your 30 yards when you use the actual numbers. So for an ugly car, they both scoot along plenty well. And about as well as the previous iteration. Well in my defence, you were the one saying one second difference. Would still be interesting to see a side by side race down the quarter, probably find the difference is much more than those separate testing times. BTW, 0.3 seconds difference over the 1/4 mile at 90 mph = 30 feet. I'll stick to my Falcons - much faster than that! Edited December 13, 2007 by jpd80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 You're right. But, here's a FWD Panther: A more modern FWD vehicle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 The rationale with front-drive tracks is that the front drive sprocket is pulling the track from the back return sprocket, and pushing the track along the ground surface. Because the track is not under drive-tension until it rounds the back return sprocket, it was felt that the track would be more compliant and have longer life than a rear-drive track, where the top is pushed and the road-contact track is under drive-tension. It doesn't seem to make much difference which is used when it comes to terrain performance, but the rear-drive has better configuration capability, if the designer takes care to use it, especially for tanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 the worshippers can keep their Panthers, bring on a replacement...Interceptor stlye....I doubt THAT will even stop the bleating.... If the D3 turds don't sell, what makes you think the fugly interceptor would sell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 If the D3 turds don't sell, what makes you think the fugly interceptor would sell? aside from the front end, nice car.... but Panther worshippers....how about YOUR altar...RWD, V8?????? Full size sedan......you guys bitch about the demise of such a beast and bitch at a potential replacement????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 aside from the front end, nice car.... but Panther worshippers....how about YOUR altar...RWD, V8?????? Full size sedan......you guys bitch about the demise of such a beast and bitch at a potential replacement????? V8??? Knowing Ford, they will scrap any V8 from the line up and instead use a V6 with hairdryers attached to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 V8??? Knowing Ford, they will scrap any V8 from the line up and instead use a V6 with hairdryers attached to it. yeah...screw the 6.2............but fess up....you guys bitch if you can't have, bitch if you can....is there a trampoline on both sides of the fence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 My wife drove almost everything at the "Mega-Dealer" and finally I said to her why not drive the Five Hundred. We went 200 yards and she said "This is the car I want". We discussed how the press said it was underpowered, et all. Her response was "Why do I need all that power? It feels like it accelerates just as well as that Toyota and almost as well as the Nissan. I never get over 75 mph, so what's the big deal?" 53,000 miles later, she still loves her car. Your wife is an intelligent woman, sir. :shades: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 (edited) Those hairdryers'll do just fine. It's just too bad they're 12 months away, along with the Ford-Getrag transmissions. They can't arrive soon enough; Ford has to have an AWD transmission that can take 400-500 ft-lbs of torque. Then we can have a SHO Fusion and a SHO Taurus as showroom 380 hp sleds, without wimp-launch. SVT can produce the 500 hp versions. ************************ Note to Mull: at the weekly meeting, please make sure that all the pickles have been pulled out on this one. ************************ Edited December 13, 2007 by Edstock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Your wife is an intelligent woman, sir. :shades: a keeper.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT_MAN Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 2005 Ford Five Hundred 0-60 is 7.61 and 15.9@89.9mph in the 1/42008 Ford Taurus 0-60 is 7.08 and 15.6@92.1mph in the 1/4 mile .53 and .3 seconds respectively I have farts that last longer than that. So not long at all. No where near your 30 yards when you use the actual numbers. So for an ugly car, they both scoot along plenty well. And about as well as the previous iteration. The older car's engine problem wasn't so much a power problem as it was an image problem. The old engine had the image of being coarse, rough and old. I've heard both on tape, and the new 3.5L V6 definitely sounds much nicer to the ears. It doesn't sound like it is struggling like the 3.0L Duratec did in the 500. The 500 will go if you need it to, it just doesn't like doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 When Ford can no longer justify V8 engines for passenger cars nor RWD, look out Mustang fans. We'll be revisiting the Probe II before you know it. I better try to find a way to obtain another Stang or it too will be a victim. Of course, by then you'll have those asking why get a two-door? Its apparent...Americans are allowing the Japanese to direct our own automotive trends. Why should people buy an Americanized Honda from Ford? You might as well buy a Honda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 When Ford can no longer justify V8 engines for passenger cars nor RWD, look out Mustang fans. We'll be revisiting the Probe II before you know it. I better try to find a way to obtain another Stang or it too will be a victim. Of course, by then you'll have those asking why get a two-door? Its apparent...Americans are allowing the Japanese to direct our own automotive trends. Why should people buy an Americanized Honda from Ford? You might as well buy a Honda. actually they are addressing the Americans market desires /demands better,,,hopefully soon to change.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 When Ford can no longer justify V8 engines for passenger cars nor RWD, look out Mustang fans. We'll be revisiting the Probe II before you know it. I better try to find a way to obtain another Stang or it too will be a victim. Of course, by then you'll have those asking why get a two-door? Wow I can't believe what I just read...unlike the Panther, the Mustang is an ICON...and thus why its survived to this day in its current form. Are Panther Fans this seriously fucking stupid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 (edited) Wow I can't believe what I just read...unlike the Panther, the Mustang is an ICON...and thus why its survived to this day in its current form. Are Panther Fans this seriously fucking stupid? Mustang and it's Aussie half brothers, Falcon and Territory will survive. Could you imagine the indignation if a post 2010 Falcon replaces a Panther, the 30 year old platform retired in favour of a 50 year veteran, LOL. Edited December 14, 2007 by jpd80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 Wow I can't believe what I just read...unlike the Panther, the Mustang is an ICON...and thus why its survived to this day in its current form. Are Panther Fans this seriously fucking stupid? now now...not all, they are loyal to the death, admirable...but some posts by said Fans speak for themselves....we all know which fit the bill of your description... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 (edited) GM will most likey pull the plug on a RWD Impala, now that the Senate has passed the 35 MPG CAFE bill. And, according to news, Bushie will sign it, since it gives breaks to his oil buddies, he doesn't care about big V8 cars for System Engineers. So, dream on about US spec LHD Falcons, 5.4L Vics, and the return of LTD's with "road hugging weight". Oh, and another thing, no one at Ford ever said the D3 would be #1 car. And the idea that RWD cars alone will save a car company? Look at Chrysler sinking away. Edited December 14, 2007 by 630land Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 (edited) Holden are well advanced on the RWD Impala and are also advanced on Zeta Turbo Diesel and Hybrid versions. I wonder if the whole plan will fall through, GM are prone to commit early and repent for years... Ford more circumspect with Falcon or any new RWDs until clearer picture of future is known. Ford NA will do a rear wheel sedan but the details are still sketchy. Edited December 14, 2007 by jpd80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
351cid Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 Your wife is an intelligent woman, sir. :shades: I thank you, and agree ...and yes, Dean...I've kept her for 23 years and someone will have to pry her from my cold dead hands, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 GM will most likey pull the plug on a RWD Impala, now that the Senate has passed the 35 MPG CAFE bill. And, according to news, Bushie will sign it, since it gives breaks to his oil buddies, he doesn't care about big V8 cars for System Engineers. So, dream on about US spec LHD Falcons, 5.4L Vics, and the return of LTD's with "road hugging weight". I see no reason why a RWD sedan with a 3.5L V6 won't be able to pull down 25-27 MPG out on the highway. There is a market for RWD Sedan (not a huge one, unless you want fleet sales) but I'm sure that the "poor" MPG they get will be offset by B-class and Hybrids sold in the fleet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 (edited) I see no reason why a RWD sedan with a 3.5L V6 won't be able to pull down 25-27 MPG out on the highway. There is a market for RWD Sedan (not a huge one, unless you want fleet sales) but I'm sure that the "poor" MPG they get will be offset by B-class and Hybrids sold in the fleet. As a gauge to RWD fuel economy Aussie Commodores (G8) and Falcons get the following US mpg: City - 20-21 and Highway 27-28 That's with 3.6 litre and 4.0 litre engines respectively. Edited December 14, 2007 by jpd80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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