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Wow, I would've never thought that'd be true!

 

One thing I noticed, I probably know who it is, but refresh my memory....if Jim Farley is marketing vice president (according to that link), who is marketing president?

You need to understand company's heirachy.

This will help you:

 

Company Vice Presidents and Above

 

Executive Chairman

William Clay Ford Jr

 

President and Chief Executive Officer

Alan Mulally

 

Executive Vice Presidents

 

Michael Bannister

Chairman and CEO, Ford Motor Credit Company

 

Lewis Booth

Ford of Europe and Premiere Automotive Group

Chairman, Ford of Europe

 

Mark Fields

President, The Americas

 

Don R. Leclair

Chief Financial Officer

 

John Parker

Asia Pacific and Africa

 

Group Vice Presidents

 

Jim Farley

Marketing and Communications

 

John Fleming

President and CEO, Ford of Europe

 

Joe Hinrichs

Global Manufacturing

 

Derrick Kuzak

Global Product Development

 

Joe W. Laymon

Corporate Human Resources and Labor Affairs

 

J Mays

Design and Chief Creative Officer

 

Ziad Ojakli

Government and Community Relations

 

 

Senior Vice Presidents

 

Thomas K. Brown

Global Purchasing

 

Sue Cischke

Sustainability, Environment and Safety Engineering

 

Peter Daniel

Controller

 

Darryl B. Hazel

President, Ford Customer Service Division

 

David Leitch

General Counsel

 

Vice Presidents

 

Bruce Andrews

Government Relations

 

Fredrik Arp

President and CEO, Volvo Cars Corp.

 

Joseph Bakaj

Product Development, Ford of Europe

 

Stephen Biegun

International Governmental Affairs

 

Mei Wei Cheng

President - Ford Motor (China) Ltd.

 

Ray Day

Communications

 

Felicia Fields

Human Resources

 

Bennie Fowler

Quality

 

Louise K. Goeser

President and CEO, Ford of Mexico

 

Robert Graziano

Executive Vice President, Mazda Motor Corp.

 

Paul Mascarenas

Engineering, The Americas Product Development

 

Martin Mulloy

Labor Affairs

 

Stephen Odell

Marketing, Sales and Service, Ford of Europe

 

Geoff Polites

CEO, Jaguar and Land Rover

 

Barb Samardzich

Powertrain Product Development

 

Neil Schloss

Treasurer

 

Gerhard Schmidt

Research and Advanced Engineering

 

Robert L. Shanks

Controller, The Americas

 

Nick Smither

Chief Information Officer

 

James Tetreault

Manufacturing, Ford of Europe

 

1/1/08

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So who will be building the Verve the curry munchers or the rice eaters, it does not sound like there will be many US wage packets will be ploughing much back in to US economy here?

well D'uh ... those things barely break even despite being built in Japan, China, Korea, Mexico and such

 

The Verve for US will come from China or Brazil, but most recently China seemed to be the front runner, since Brazil has capacity issues.

 

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well D'uh ... those things barely break even despite being built in Japan, China, Korea, Mexico and such

 

The Verve for US will come from China or Brazil, but most recently China seemed to be the front runner, since Brazil has capacity issues.

 

Igor

Thanks for that Igor, so the wage packets will be spent in the Chinese economy.

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might be the only way to bring that car to the US at a competitive price.

Why can't Ford at least consider building it like an all American dream Toyota kit car, nearly all the Denso parts that go in to Toyotas are shipped in from China. Most of the Denso plants in Japan have now relocated to China, at least if the Verve was assembled in Detroit using the same cheating Toyota methods of keeping the cost down it would create some new US Ford jobs, you have to ask if Toyota can assemble in the States using Americans why can't Ford do the same thing?

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After seeing it yesterday at the show, all i have to say is WOW, this and the 3 door are Sharp cars, the problem is that they are 2+years off of selling it. The WOW factor of this car will be gone by then.

 

Yet they look nearly production ready.

Job 1 is April 2009 - about 14 months from now.

 

Igor

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Why can't Ford at least consider building it like an all American dream Toyota kit car, nearly all the Denso parts that go in to Toyotas are shipped in from China. Most of the Denso plants in Japan have now relocated to China, at least if the Verve was assembled in Detroit using the same cheating Toyota methods of keeping the cost down it would create some new US Ford jobs, you have to ask if Toyota can assemble in the States using Americans why can't Ford do the same thing?

 

 

Because we are Mexico to Toyota, cheap labor and shipping. When it gets to be too much, they will simply close the plant and move it elsewhere(its not like there's even a union to object). They lowered the standards of pay with little or no profit staying the US, even the dealers give them away at little or not profit kept here, they have to sell gazillions of them cheap(of course at not loss to Toy either).

 

Toyota is like Wal Mart, only the $$ go to Japanese owners. Not to mention with even more advantages like a depreciated Dollar and manipulated Yen at home. And in the same vein as Wal Mart, our taxpayer dollars even helped Toyota make so much money, and made it far too expensive for US companies to build cars like the Verve here, just like Wal Mart destroyed the textile business in the US, first use US suppliers, make them grow their companies to many times the size to meet Wal Mart demand(at a MUCH lower profit margin then for the decades before), then pull out and instantly bankrupt 50+ year old US companies and buy from Chinese companies that pay $2 a day to employees. If you think Toyota does ONE bit of good for the US building their products here, you're nuts. This country is wholesaling itself to China and India at a staggering rate.

 

Gotta love buy more-pay less, and we're trained to be addicted to it like a drug, and will end up being the most destructive addiction in the history of this nation. And not one major media outlet has ever mentioned it or made a point of it in detail, the best iteration of it to the American public to date ironically was through a South Park episode(often a better source for the condition of this nation then any major news network)...Then again, if they reported about things like that, they wouldn't have time for other more important stuff like Britney Spears coverage.

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After seeing it yesterday at the show, all i have to say is WOW, this and the 3 door are Sharp cars, the problem is that they are 2+years off of selling it. The WOW factor of this car will be gone by then.

 

Yet they look nearly production ready.

 

That's what I don't understand, if it's that far off why even show it? That's what people said about the Flex, and we only had to wait 1.5 years for it.

 

Hopefully Ford doesn't ruin the production version, they need to leave the styling alone and just build the damned thing, it would make every other B and C car look like shit.

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Because we are Mexico to Toyota, cheap labor and shipping. When it gets to be too much, they will simply close the plant and move it elsewhere(its not like there's even a union to object). They lowered the standards of pay with little or no profit staying the US, even the dealers give them away at little or not profit kept here, they have to sell gazillions of them cheap(of course at not loss to Toy either).

 

Toyota is like Wal Mart, only the $$ go to Japanese owners. Not to mention with even more advantages like a depreciated Dollar and manipulated Yen at home. And in the same vein as Wal Mart, our taxpayer dollars even helped Toyota make so much money, and made it far too expensive for US companies to build cars like the Verve here, just like Wal Mart destroyed the textile business in the US, first use US suppliers, make them grow their companies to many times the size to meet Wal Mart demand(at a MUCH lower profit margin then for the decades before), then pull out and instantly bankrupt 50+ year old US companies and buy from Chinese companies that pay $2 a day to employees. If you think Toyota does ONE bit of good for the US building their products here, you're nuts. This country is wholesaling itself to China and India at a staggering rate.

 

Gotta love buy more-pay less, and we're trained to be addicted to it like a drug, and will end up being the most destructive addiction in the history of this nation. And not one major media outlet has ever mentioned it or made a point of it in detail, the best iteration of it to the American public to date ironically was through a South Park episode(often a better source for the condition of this nation then any major news network)...Then again, if they reported about things like that, they wouldn't have time for other more important stuff like Britney Spears coverage.

What l cant seem to understand is the Verve looks like its only going to be sold to private buyers not fleet car rentalls, it also looks like its a car that is not going to need big Walmart type discounts to shift it like the Focus needs in the US. Fords Fiesta is a small car thats the same as the Verve it sells it's self and generates a healthy profit on every car it sells for FOE, so if FOE can build the Fiesta in Europe which is the most expensive place to build cars at the moment why can't Ford built the Verve in Detroit. l don't think the Verve will need huge cash incentives with no profit made to shift cars like the Focus enjoys in the US at the moment. Why does Ford not want to put something back into the US like building the Verve in Detroit?

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What l cant seem to understand is the Verve looks like its only going to be sold to private buyers not fleet car rentalls, it also looks like its a car that is not going to need big Walmart type discounts to shift it like the Focus needs in the US. Fords Fiesta is a small car thats the same as the Verve it sells it's self and generates a healthy profit on every car it sells for FOE, so if FOE can build the Fiesta in Europe which is the most expensive place to build cars at the moment why can't Ford built the Verve in Detroit. l don't think the Verve will need huge cash incentives with no profit made to shift cars like the Focus enjoys in the US at the moment. Why does Ford not want to put something back into the US like building the Verve in Detroit?

 

 

Because the average Fiesta there goes for over $20k. The average Verve here will not go for over $20k. The EU also has some import tariffs that make building cars in the union less expensive.

 

Look, the only way the new Focus is produced stateside is that they finally started sourcing parts from farther away in cheaper markets than the U.S. and Canada. And even given that, they are barely breaking even on that car.

 

The next Focus will be built in the U.S. still under the same sourcing model as the current one. As parts suppliers become more lean, Ford may be able to move some sourcing back into the states, but right now, Toyota's suppliers in the U.S. are vastly more efficient than Ford's and Ford has to compete on price.

 

The Verve, on the other hand, being less expensive than the Focus, would never even be close to break even if built here because of sourcing costs, fixed labor costs and other factors - not to mention that Ford doesn't have a plant that wouldn't require probably $1 billion to convert to Verve production.

 

It's going to be imported like every other B-car in the U.S. Feel fortunate that we still have our C-car produced here at least through the Focus's next model cycle.

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the Verve and the current Focus will overlap only for 12 months - new FOcus begins production in April 2010.

 

And yes, the top-of-the-line Verve will be well above the base Focus. Just like the Top-Of-the-line Fusion is above the base Taurus, the Top Escape is above base Edge, top Explorer is above base Expedition, etc.

 

Igor

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