ANTAUS Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 LINK-Detroit News Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 LINK-Detroit News Wow, I would've never thought that'd be true! One thing I noticed, I probably know who it is, but refresh my memory....if Jim Farley is marketing vice president (according to that link), who is marketing president? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 (edited) Wow, I would've never thought that'd be true! One thing I noticed, I probably know who it is, but refresh my memory....if Jim Farley is marketing vice president (according to that link), who is marketing president? You need to understand company's heirachy. This will help you: Company Vice Presidents and Above Executive Chairman William Clay Ford Jr President and Chief Executive Officer Alan Mulally Executive Vice Presidents Michael Bannister Chairman and CEO, Ford Motor Credit Company Lewis Booth Ford of Europe and Premiere Automotive Group Chairman, Ford of Europe Mark Fields President, The Americas Don R. Leclair Chief Financial Officer John Parker Asia Pacific and Africa Group Vice Presidents Jim Farley Marketing and Communications John Fleming President and CEO, Ford of Europe Joe Hinrichs Global Manufacturing Derrick Kuzak Global Product Development Joe W. Laymon Corporate Human Resources and Labor Affairs J Mays Design and Chief Creative Officer Ziad Ojakli Government and Community Relations Senior Vice Presidents Thomas K. Brown Global Purchasing Sue Cischke Sustainability, Environment and Safety Engineering Peter Daniel Controller Darryl B. Hazel President, Ford Customer Service Division David Leitch General Counsel Vice Presidents Bruce Andrews Government Relations Fredrik Arp President and CEO, Volvo Cars Corp. Joseph Bakaj Product Development, Ford of Europe Stephen Biegun International Governmental Affairs Mei Wei Cheng President - Ford Motor (China) Ltd. Ray Day Communications Felicia Fields Human Resources Bennie Fowler Quality Louise K. Goeser President and CEO, Ford of Mexico Robert Graziano Executive Vice President, Mazda Motor Corp. Paul Mascarenas Engineering, The Americas Product Development Martin Mulloy Labor Affairs Stephen Odell Marketing, Sales and Service, Ford of Europe Geoff Polites CEO, Jaguar and Land Rover Barb Samardzich Powertrain Product Development Neil Schloss Treasurer Gerhard Schmidt Research and Advanced Engineering Robert L. Shanks Controller, The Americas Nick Smither Chief Information Officer James Tetreault Manufacturing, Ford of Europe 1/1/08 Edited January 18, 2008 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 too much meat at the top Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 (edited) So who will be building the Verve the curry munchers or the rice eaters, it does not sound like there will be many US wage packets will be ploughing much back in to US economy here? Edited January 18, 2008 by Ford Jellymoulds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 So who will be building the Verve the curry munchers or the rice eaters, it does not sound like there will be many US wage packets will be ploughing much back in to US economy here? well D'uh ... those things barely break even despite being built in Japan, China, Korea, Mexico and such The Verve for US will come from China or Brazil, but most recently China seemed to be the front runner, since Brazil has capacity issues. Igor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 well D'uh ... those things barely break even despite being built in Japan, China, Korea, Mexico and such The Verve for US will come from China or Brazil, but most recently China seemed to be the front runner, since Brazil has capacity issues. Igor Thanks for that Igor, so the wage packets will be spent in the Chinese economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Thanks for that Igor, so the wage packets will be spent in the Chinese economy. might be the only way to bring that car to the US at a competitive price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 might be the only way to bring that car to the US at a competitive price. Why can't Ford at least consider building it like an all American dream Toyota kit car, nearly all the Denso parts that go in to Toyotas are shipped in from China. Most of the Denso plants in Japan have now relocated to China, at least if the Verve was assembled in Detroit using the same cheating Toyota methods of keeping the cost down it would create some new US Ford jobs, you have to ask if Toyota can assemble in the States using Americans why can't Ford do the same thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZanatWork Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 According to the article, there's no way to build it at a profit stateside. Hardly shocking...NOBODY could build B-cars at a profit here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 According to the article, there's no way to build it at a profit stateside. Hardly shocking...NOBODY could build B-cars at a profit here. at least any B car worth buying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 After seeing it yesterday at the show, all i have to say is WOW, this and the 3 door are Sharp cars, the problem is that they are 2+years off of selling it. The WOW factor of this car will be gone by then. Yet they look nearly production ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 After seeing it yesterday at the show, all i have to say is WOW, this and the 3 door are Sharp cars, the problem is that they are 2+years off of selling it. The WOW factor of this car will be gone by then. Yet they look nearly production ready. Job 1 is April 2009 - about 14 months from now. Igor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnostic Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 I wish they would keep the flush side glass. That really makes the concept stand out IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinb120 Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 (edited) Why can't Ford at least consider building it like an all American dream Toyota kit car, nearly all the Denso parts that go in to Toyotas are shipped in from China. Most of the Denso plants in Japan have now relocated to China, at least if the Verve was assembled in Detroit using the same cheating Toyota methods of keeping the cost down it would create some new US Ford jobs, you have to ask if Toyota can assemble in the States using Americans why can't Ford do the same thing? Because we are Mexico to Toyota, cheap labor and shipping. When it gets to be too much, they will simply close the plant and move it elsewhere(its not like there's even a union to object). They lowered the standards of pay with little or no profit staying the US, even the dealers give them away at little or not profit kept here, they have to sell gazillions of them cheap(of course at not loss to Toy either). Toyota is like Wal Mart, only the $$ go to Japanese owners. Not to mention with even more advantages like a depreciated Dollar and manipulated Yen at home. And in the same vein as Wal Mart, our taxpayer dollars even helped Toyota make so much money, and made it far too expensive for US companies to build cars like the Verve here, just like Wal Mart destroyed the textile business in the US, first use US suppliers, make them grow their companies to many times the size to meet Wal Mart demand(at a MUCH lower profit margin then for the decades before), then pull out and instantly bankrupt 50+ year old US companies and buy from Chinese companies that pay $2 a day to employees. If you think Toyota does ONE bit of good for the US building their products here, you're nuts. This country is wholesaling itself to China and India at a staggering rate. Gotta love buy more-pay less, and we're trained to be addicted to it like a drug, and will end up being the most destructive addiction in the history of this nation. And not one major media outlet has ever mentioned it or made a point of it in detail, the best iteration of it to the American public to date ironically was through a South Park episode(often a better source for the condition of this nation then any major news network)...Then again, if they reported about things like that, they wouldn't have time for other more important stuff like Britney Spears coverage. Edited January 18, 2008 by kevinb120 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueblood Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 After seeing it yesterday at the show, all i have to say is WOW, this and the 3 door are Sharp cars, the problem is that they are 2+years off of selling it. The WOW factor of this car will be gone by then. Yet they look nearly production ready. That's what I don't understand, if it's that far off why even show it? That's what people said about the Flex, and we only had to wait 1.5 years for it. Hopefully Ford doesn't ruin the production version, they need to leave the styling alone and just build the damned thing, it would make every other B and C car look like shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Because we are Mexico to Toyota, cheap labor and shipping. When it gets to be too much, they will simply close the plant and move it elsewhere(its not like there's even a union to object). They lowered the standards of pay with little or no profit staying the US, even the dealers give them away at little or not profit kept here, they have to sell gazillions of them cheap(of course at not loss to Toy either). Toyota is like Wal Mart, only the $$ go to Japanese owners. Not to mention with even more advantages like a depreciated Dollar and manipulated Yen at home. And in the same vein as Wal Mart, our taxpayer dollars even helped Toyota make so much money, and made it far too expensive for US companies to build cars like the Verve here, just like Wal Mart destroyed the textile business in the US, first use US suppliers, make them grow their companies to many times the size to meet Wal Mart demand(at a MUCH lower profit margin then for the decades before), then pull out and instantly bankrupt 50+ year old US companies and buy from Chinese companies that pay $2 a day to employees. If you think Toyota does ONE bit of good for the US building their products here, you're nuts. This country is wholesaling itself to China and India at a staggering rate. Gotta love buy more-pay less, and we're trained to be addicted to it like a drug, and will end up being the most destructive addiction in the history of this nation. And not one major media outlet has ever mentioned it or made a point of it in detail, the best iteration of it to the American public to date ironically was through a South Park episode(often a better source for the condition of this nation then any major news network)...Then again, if they reported about things like that, they wouldn't have time for other more important stuff like Britney Spears coverage. What l cant seem to understand is the Verve looks like its only going to be sold to private buyers not fleet car rentalls, it also looks like its a car that is not going to need big Walmart type discounts to shift it like the Focus needs in the US. Fords Fiesta is a small car thats the same as the Verve it sells it's self and generates a healthy profit on every car it sells for FOE, so if FOE can build the Fiesta in Europe which is the most expensive place to build cars at the moment why can't Ford built the Verve in Detroit. l don't think the Verve will need huge cash incentives with no profit made to shift cars like the Focus enjoys in the US at the moment. Why does Ford not want to put something back into the US like building the Verve in Detroit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focus05 Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 What l cant seem to understand is the Verve looks like its only going to be sold to private buyers not fleet car rentalls, it also looks like its a car that is not going to need big Walmart type discounts to shift it like the Focus needs in the US. Fords Fiesta is a small car thats the same as the Verve it sells it's self and generates a healthy profit on every car it sells for FOE, so if FOE can build the Fiesta in Europe which is the most expensive place to build cars at the moment why can't Ford built the Verve in Detroit. l don't think the Verve will need huge cash incentives with no profit made to shift cars like the Focus enjoys in the US at the moment. Why does Ford not want to put something back into the US like building the Verve in Detroit? Because the average Fiesta there goes for over $20k. The average Verve here will not go for over $20k. The EU also has some import tariffs that make building cars in the union less expensive. Look, the only way the new Focus is produced stateside is that they finally started sourcing parts from farther away in cheaper markets than the U.S. and Canada. And even given that, they are barely breaking even on that car. The next Focus will be built in the U.S. still under the same sourcing model as the current one. As parts suppliers become more lean, Ford may be able to move some sourcing back into the states, but right now, Toyota's suppliers in the U.S. are vastly more efficient than Ford's and Ford has to compete on price. The Verve, on the other hand, being less expensive than the Focus, would never even be close to break even if built here because of sourcing costs, fixed labor costs and other factors - not to mention that Ford doesn't have a plant that wouldn't require probably $1 billion to convert to Verve production. It's going to be imported like every other B-car in the U.S. Feel fortunate that we still have our C-car produced here at least through the Focus's next model cycle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Job 1 is April 2009 - about 14 months from now. Igor The display at the Auto Show said Onsale 2010. But that would be great! This car will KILL Focus Sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wescoent Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 The display at the Auto Show said Onsale 2010. But that would be great! This car will KILL Focus Sales. I have a feeling that the 2010 Focus is going to look essentially like an upsized Verve.. but we'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 The display at the Auto Show said Onsale 2010. But that would be great! This car will KILL Focus Sales. this car will KILL Fit and Yaris sales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focus05 Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 My guess is that the real transaction price of the Focus will drop below the Verve's once the Verve launches here. Just call it a hunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 My guess is that the real transaction price of the Focus will drop below the Verve's once the Verve launches here. Just call it a hunch. my hunch....top of the line Verve will be pricier than the base Focus........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinb120 Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 (edited) Well just about any line of units have some overlap. A loaded Escape is more then a base Edge... A loaded RAV is more then a base Highlander...Loaded 3 series is more then a base 5, .rinse and repeat Edited January 18, 2008 by kevinb120 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 the Verve and the current Focus will overlap only for 12 months - new FOcus begins production in April 2010. And yes, the top-of-the-line Verve will be well above the base Focus. Just like the Top-Of-the-line Fusion is above the base Taurus, the Top Escape is above base Edge, top Explorer is above base Expedition, etc. Igor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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