elkarlo Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 VOLVO IS NOT FOR SALE!!! Gees, don't you fools READ??? The article is SPECULATIVE. Even the writers of Autoblog state that they are LEARY of this claim. They also state that NO OTHER ORGANIZATION has stepped up to corroborate this SPECULATION. Volvo IS NOT going anywhere! Get a clue, people. I really hope not, I think Volvo adds a great deal to Ford. They make a lot of platforms, as well as safety features. They are kinda like Mazda of Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 I really hope not, I think Volvo adds a great deal to Ford. They make a lot of platforms, as well as safety features. They are kinda like Mazda of Europe. Like I said before, I'd think Ford would work out some sort of agreement with the new owners to continue to share technologies. Either that or retain some percentage of ownership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordFanForEver Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 (edited) RMC, one of your posts above, where you mentioned Ford bringing over european models and Badging them as Mercuries is a excellant idea. Mercury Has no compact car anymore like they did back in 1995-2000 1. Tracer 2. Mystique 3. Sable They should bring back a few european models and call one the Tracer, but then im sure people would wonder where the escort is, Maybe the escort and focus would coexist just like the corrola and yaris are. Or when the european Focus comes to America, They could give the Focus a sibling which would go to Mercury and call it something else besides Tracer, But i do think Mercury needs its own compact car. But it would be nice to see 1. Tracer, Lynx or botcat as Local1111 has mentioned, maybe even Comet, Cyclone, Monarch or Medalian. 2. Milan 3. Sable Anyways, If ford really wants to keep mercury alive, then this is a good idea. But for starters, give Mercury a compact car just the old days when Mercury was in its good days. Edited January 22, 2008 by FordFanForEver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Local1111 Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 RMC, one of your posts above, where you mentioned Ford bringing over european models and Badging them as Mercuries is a excellant idea. Mercury Has no compact car anymore like they did back in 1995-2000 But i do think Mercury needs its own compact car. But it would be nice to see But for starters, give Mercury a compact car just the old days when Mercury was in its good days. http://www.lovefords.org/78/pintobobcat/bobcat.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_Lynx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLPRacing Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 But isn't a recession likely to drive more Western companies into China to cut their costs? I don't think there are many left to move to China, most are already here. If things got bad for China, they would kick out their "joint ventures" and sell the same name brand products under other names for half the the price. Instead of a Sony LCD TV for $800, it would be a Somy LCD TV for $400. Got to love a so called "free" market... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordFanForEver Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 NLPracing, did you ever get the PM i sent to you about the 6.8 V10 in your motorhome? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 RMC, one of your posts above, where you mentioned Ford bringing over european models and Badging them as Mercuries is a excellant idea. Mercury Has no compact car anymore like they did back in 1995-2000 1. Tracer 2. Mystique 3. Sable They should bring back a few european models and call one the Tracer, but then im sure people would wonder where the escort is, Maybe the escort and focus would coexist just like the corrola and yaris are. Or when the european Focus comes to America, They could give the Focus a sibling which would go to Mercury and call it something else besides Tracer, But i do think Mercury needs its own compact car. But it would be nice to see 1. Tracer, Lynx or botcat as Local1111 has mentioned, maybe even Comet, Cyclone, Monarch or Medalian. 2. Milan 3. Sable Anyways, If ford really wants to keep mercury alive, then this is a good idea. But for starters, give Mercury a compact car just the old days when Mercury was in its good days. A smaller vehicle for Mercury may be a good idea, especially given the current times. A Verve counterpart would be appropriate, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveTaurus Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Well, we are going into a recession. You will see which way China is going. You will be surprised! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 (edited) Mulally said to Bill Ford, "If I can't sell cars with your name on them, all the rest is pointless."Ford has lost its way trying to run 4 or 5 companies plus its own fragmented divisions. When you look at PAG as a whole - 750,000 cars/year for basically zero profit, what's the point? Unless these other marques make massive profit, there's no point in keeping any of them. It would have made more sense for Daimler to own Volvo than Chrysler. But are you looking at PAG or are you looking at Ford-Volvo after ditching LR/AM/Jag with regard to profit figures? Edited January 22, 2008 by Roadrunner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinb120 Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Well, we are going into a recession. You will see which way China is going. You will be surprised! all your base are belong to us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macattak1 Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 all your base are belong to us All your blue chome are belong to us! Peace and Blessings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one2gamble Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Well, we are going into a recession. You will see which way China is going. You will be surprised! If the US economy crashed today Chinas would go right along with it, in fact Chinas may in fact come tumbling down soon enough on its own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonas1022 Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 For now ! If this recession last for more than a few months (by definition a recession has to be at least 6 months), the Chinese will feel it big time, as their largest customer (US of A) stops buying ! China is a country with no social safety net. Imagine huge factories, with their dormitories and cafeterias, closing. You will suddenly have hundreds of thousands of starving workers in the streets. Chinese are selling cheap in massive amounts of product to anyone and everyone. USA is just one customer. Nobody will be starving in the streets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 Chinese are selling cheap in massive amounts of product to anyone and everyone. USA is just one customer. Nobody will be starving in the streets. Calling the USA "just one customer" in reference to Chinese-produced goods is kinda like saying the Super Bowl is "just one game" of the NFL season, don't you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomaro Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 But isn't a recession likely to drive more Western companies into China to cut their costs? Not with the declining dollar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 Chinese are selling cheap in massive amounts of product to anyone and everyone. USA is just one customer. Nobody will be starving in the streets. China is a little more fragile than you might expect, and it wouldn't take a bull in a china shop to cause a lot of crash. They have an energy problem; they have an agriculture problem (drought/climate change, disappearing topsoil, water, pollution); they have a rapidly growing demographic problem from ultrasound prenatal sex-selection; they have a problem with systemic corruption and, new for a "communist" country, a rapidly-emerging disparity of wealth. Then, there's Taiwan and Tibet. Add cyber-warfare, which it appears the Chinese are getting into. The point is, there's a lot of stress that is not immediately apparent, in a country that has no mechanism to work this out, except the upper echelons of the CCP. In contrast, the US' problems are miniscule; just bad management by the stupidly greedy. Once the lower-income conservatives realize how the conservative elite have run the US for their sole aggrandizement and realize that the rich do not have their best interests at heart, there will be a common-sense political concensus on what it takes to straighten out the US economy. Simple things that Reagan Republicans hate, like close government regulation of the financial industry so that Enron and Bear Stearns never happens again. Hopefully, the successor to the moron in the White House will have the imagination to call for something like the Manhattan Project, a national committment to eliminate imports of off-shore oil. IMHO, once the US is out of Iraq, the US should spend money on public education. Spend hundreds of billions. Not on more Nimitz-class carriers, but on basic American education. Why? IMHO, the biggest danger to the US in the decades to come is lowering the overall quality of its citizens. Of ALL of its citizens. And yes, it's socialism of a sort, but if you don't get behind this, then the greedy rich and the morons win. The quality of K-8 and high school cannot be underestimated for the future of the Republic. And last time I checked, that means everybody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveTaurus Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 Stop being a rabbit in a race with the turtle. We have been brain washed by the media we American. China's sure have problems, but not as fragile as you think! Those you pointed out problems of China, aren't we facing, not the same, but similar related problems too. Taiwan is politics, not a problem. Taiwanese can trade and create manufacturing firms in China with permits for many years already. Wake up rabbit, the turtle is around the corner! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 IMHO, once the US is out of Iraq, the US should spend money on public education. Spend hundreds of billions. Not on more Nimitz-class carriers, but on basic American education. Why? IMHO, the biggest danger to the US in the decades to come is lowering the overall quality of its citizens. Of ALL of its citizens. And yes, it's socialism of a sort, but if you don't get behind this, then the greedy rich and the morons win. The quality of K-8 and high school cannot be underestimated for the future of the Republic. And last time I checked, that means everybody. The problem is that the public education system is BROKE! From Teachers unions to Standarized testing, the whole system is just fucked no matter what way you cut it. The only education worth a damn is colleges we have, but most of them are far too interested in making money off sports then providing an education Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 Stop being a rabbit in a race with the turtle. We have been brain washed by the media we American. China's sure have problems, but not as fragile as you think! You're entitled to your opinion, but when Chinese topsoil winds up in North America, they have a problem, no matter what you want to believe. Those you pointed out problems of China, aren't we facing, not the same, but similar related problems too. Again, that's your opinion. We are facing neither the same nor similar related problems. For example, North America has all the oil it needs; China doesn't. Taiwan is politics, not a problem. Taiwanese can trade and create manufacturing firms in China with permits for many years already. Again, that's your opinion. Considering the massive build-up of Chinese military power, and the number of missiles known to be targetted on Taiwan by the Chinese, it sure looks like a problem from here. But don't believe me, ask the Chiefs of Staff in the Pentagon. Wake up rabbit, the turtle is around the corner! This is supposed to mean something? Other than that a turtle is around the corner? Is the turtle bringing lunch? Is the turtle for lunch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveTaurus Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 It was not an opinion or believe. China is still going strong right now with no stopping in sight! When the rabbit thought it was faster than the turtle, go to sleep under a tree, the turtle will just past it and win the race! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray101988 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 It was not an opinion or believe. China is still going strong right now with no stopping in sight! When the rabbit thought it was faster than the turtle, go to sleep under a tree, the turtle will just past it and win the race! I study politics and your just plain wrong. China has many many problems. All the problems that have already been listed in this thread are huge. Think about it, the Chinese want boys to carry on thier name, but how will that happen if no one wants to have girls anymore? Did you know that some men actually kidnap women in China so they can have a son? Also China gets a lot of food through trade with the U.S. and they still don't have enough. They are a country that is industrializing in a time in the world when oil isn't as cheap or easy to find as it once was. They will struggle with both their political (taiwain more than tibet because we sell weapons to taiwan and have always had a pro taiwan policy..ever hear or the two-china policy?), their demographical (no one wants to have their one allowed child be a girl because they want a boy to carry on family names), resource problems (food and oil), internal problems (unrest caused by social problems), and education problems (you have no idea how many people in China are illiterate). Our problems in the U.S don't even compare. In fact without the U.S., China would be screwed. We give them a source of money, technology, and food through trade. The chinese government is not stable. Think about this, why else would they put down Tibetian protestors so strictly if they weren't afraid of losing power? How will they deal with all the problems their country faces? If they don't do something, expect thing to change quickly for the worse in China in the near future. BTW for all those people that think China's military is a threat to our own...lol... do some research. We spend so much more money than them on the military, their technology is no where near ours. Numbers isn't everything, especially when it comes down to getting enough supplies, getting good enough supplies, and then trying to distribute them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray101988 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 It was not an opinion or believe. China is still going strong right now with no stopping in sight! When the rabbit thought it was faster than the turtle, go to sleep under a tree, the turtle will just past it and win the race! Tell that to the people that actually live in China and see what they have to say about how "strong" China is going. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveTaurus Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 (edited) I think you have to re-study politics and economy of China. Cause all the points you guys pointed out were outdated. "kidnap women in China so they can have a son?" You were brain washed. LOL The one child per family policy has changed. There are always be enough Chinese women to make babies since Chinese make up 1/5 of the world population. Oh! Did we give China anythings? Actually not much! They bought it with cash! China is nearly self-sufficient in food and is a major net exporter of many food products! I don't want to explain point by point! Why don't you go research your own point by point before you come back and give us some foolish Chinese believes you thought you knew! Edited April 2, 2008 by LoveTaurus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 I think you have to re-study politics and economy of China. Cause all the points you guys pointed out were outdated. "kidnap women in China so they can have a son?" You were brain washed. LOL The one child per family policy has changed. There are always be enough Chinese women to make babies since Chinese make up 1/5 of the world population. I KNOW you have to re-study politics and economy of China. After you're finished having your LOL, consider this: thanks to ultra-sound pre-natal examinations, the selection of males and abortion of females has lead to a marriage-age disparity that is currently 30,000,000 — and getting worse, not better. And in some areas of China, finding a female of marriage age makes men resort to kidnapping. Turtle soup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveTaurus Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 (edited) And mean while the Chinese's economy is still sky high! Ultrasound prenatal examinations, we have people doing that in the US too! Men kidnapping kids around schools in your neighbourhood! Let me tell you the only problem China is facing, INFLATION! Nothing else! Edited April 2, 2008 by LoveTaurus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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