Ford Jellymoulds Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 That piece of crap looks like a VW Passat. You are right how do they get folk interested in cars when they build something that looks as boring dull and bland as that, still l some daft German will buy the shit no wonder there is a huge recession in Germany and nobody is buying anything. I would think they bored the German consumer to death and away from showrooms of VW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 (edited) You sure are in a grouchy mood. However, in your truculent fashion, you have raised a valid point about Ford marketing: what to do about taking Ford EU up into BMW's 3-5 series higher-end models? Ford has done wonders with the Mondeo in presenting a vehicle that is like the Camry in NA, in terms of NVH. IIRC, the next Mondeo is a shared platform with the Fusion, so putting higher power into the next Mondeo could be feasible, so there'd be a 300+hp model. Or should Ford EU build a variant of the next RWD platform to really go after the 5-series? It also appears that Ford is not currently involved in British super touring, BTCC, or whatever they call it. This is where the spirit of the Cortina lives. Is this correct? No Ed just been reading a few to many classic car magazines at the moment, that all seem to be taking pot shots at the boringness of the Mondeo's shape. RWD would be a big asset for the Mondeo if it's is at aiming high at quality end of the market. I like new Mondeo much more than the last version but it still does not light my fire. I would have prefered the Cortina to evolve into something more like the Classic Mercedes 190 or 280 shape it would have been up at the top in Europe by now still what do l know? Cortina, Capri's & Escort never die they just keep winning. Yes it would be nice to go along and cheer something Blue Oval like the Mondeo in BTCC. http://www.classictouringcars.com/index.asp Edited February 17, 2008 by Ford Jellymoulds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted February 17, 2008 Author Share Posted February 17, 2008 So whats Ford going to do, ditch the whole '3 bar grill' trademark or are they going to create a design that is more like the current Mondeo and Ford Fiesta? We can only hope... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehaase Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 RWD would be a big asset for the Mondeo it it's is at aiming high buyers. I like new Mondeo much more than the last version but it still does not light my fire. I would have prefered the Cortina to evolve into something more like the Classic Mercedes 190 or 280 shape it would have been up at the top in Europe by now still what do l know? Did you like the Ford Sierra of the 1980's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pcsario Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Does the Skoda really have better build quality than the Mondeo? Don't a lot of people in North America complain about VW build quality? I thought VW was having quality issues lately. The thing with Skoda is that their home country possibly has the worst, harshest roads on Earth, so to avoid rattles and the like, they assemble the things like tanks. It's not a fit & finish, or even reliability thing. They just hold up better over time than most other vehicles. If I'm not mistaken, Most US VW's are made in Mexico. I also read that VW wants to over take Toyota by 2018 or so...that should be interesting Only the Jetta and Beetle are. It's funny, Ford is taking VW's route of globalizing products, and VW will take Ford's old strategy of region-specific products to achieve their goals. There are two Passats currently in development, one for Europe and one for the US, kinda like the Euro and NA Accords. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reynolds Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 The thing with Skoda is that their home country possibly has the worst, harshest roads on Earth, so to avoid rattles and the like, they assemble the things like tanks. It's not a fit & finish, or even reliability thing. They just hold up better over time than most other vehicles. Only the Jetta and Beetle are. It's funny, Ford is taking VW's route of globalizing products, and VW will take Ford's old strategy of region-specific products to achieve their goals. There are two Passats currently in development, one for Europe and one for the US, kinda like the Euro and NA Accords. What Passats are those?? I know there is the Passat and Passat CC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcsario Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Those are still part of the current-gen cycle. It's nothing official btw, got it from a VW insider at another board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 It's funny, Ford is taking VW's route of globalizing products, and VW will take Ford's old strategy of region-specific products to achieve their goals. There are two Passats currently in development, one for Europe and one for the US, kinda like the Euro and NA Accords. But the question of the hour is are they going to be two totally different platforms or just different sheetmetal like Ford's plan is going to be? I still find them getting ahead of Toyota to be laughable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Those old Fords just beat everything else in sight, it's a shame the Mondeo does show the world how good it is. http://www.classictouringcars.com/pages/po...able%202007.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 (edited) Did you like the Ford Sierra of the 1980's? Cossie versions were alright. Edited February 17, 2008 by Ford Jellymoulds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 JPD80, Well, this was one of the key reasons that FoE decided to go off on their own rather than pick up the CD3. A large (3.5-3.7l) powerful (265-275hp) V6 is required in the mid size sedan market in the US. If you don't have it, or if your HP is down to the competition (like the Fusion), then you get criticized, even by conservative publications like Consumer Reports. These powertrains have a high application rate -- probably ranging from 30% to 50% or so. To many customers, they represent smooth, confident performance; basically they have taken the place of the attributes of V8's in the 70's. These customers are willing to give up the mileage for always having power on tap, just like Falcon owners love the I6 with basketsfull of torque. I would think the next generation platform would come in 2011-2012 when the CD3 is due for replacement, even though EUCD will be in mid cycle. Ford could take a guts pill and decide they will go with only I4 and EBI4, but that would require nerves of steel. No matter the boost or HP, nothing beats cubes for smooth performance. And I am concerned that Mazda's 4 cylinder engines are quite raw in the NVH department and when boosted might not be so pleasant. If Ford were starting with Honda 4's, then it might be a bit less of a stretch. If a platform could be pulled together with an I-engine lineup only (like Mondeo), there would be benefits in weight, front overhang, and fuel economy that would be nice to have. But I can't imagine taking the risk of not having a V6 at this point. These cars are all getting larger with the 2008 Accord now at 194" OAL compared with Fusion at 190" OAL, and longer means heavier. To take a risk of only I-engines would mean banking on a big increase in environmental concern. Or you might take the risk if it were a key element of the plan to meet CAFE by 2020. And you would still have to figure out what to do with the Volvo S80 which also requires a V engine. The present iteration which is a EUCD (in name only I have been told) has been harshly reviewed by every magazine I have read. Maybe Ford donates a platform back to Volvo from NA and assembles in NA with Taurus? Latest development, Looks like Bill Osbourne is about to champion LHD export push for FG Falcon. well at least he's comissioned an export study on it,he cant believe how good it is!!! Virtual pivot Front suspension saves 22KG over double A-Arms. FG Falcon with I-6 is now 195" OAL and has same internal head, shoulder and leg room as Crown Vic, trunk = 19 cu ft. Maybe we junk the lot and go for Falcons...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rmc523 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 The thing with Skoda is that their home country possibly has the worst, harshest roads on Earth, so to avoid rattles and the like, they assemble the things like tanks. It's not a fit & finish, or even reliability thing. They just hold up better over time than most other vehicles. Only the Jetta and Beetle are. It's funny, Ford is taking VW's route of globalizing products, and VW will take Ford's old strategy of region-specific products to achieve their goals. There are two Passats currently in development, one for Europe and one for the US, kinda like the Euro and NA Accords. Ford will still have "region-specific" products.....they just will be sheetmetal and appearance differences, while sharing the same platform and underpinnings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 I still find them getting ahead of Toyota to be laughable I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 I think it looks good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 The non-metallic, "Service Blue" low-gloss paint looks like crap. It looks like it's cheap paint. Needs a metal-flake with a high gloss clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 The non-metallic, "Service Blue" low-gloss paint looks like crap. It looks like it's cheap paint. Needs a metal-flake with a high gloss clear. If the color is what you say it is, then not in that color, but the car looks good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkFive Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 The non-metallic, "Service Blue" low-gloss paint looks like crap. It looks like it's cheap paint. Needs a metal-flake with a high gloss clear. I've read where non-metallic paints are making a comeback. Expect to see more of them on upcoming cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 We already had the Mondeo once -- what's changed so we would want it again? Also, doesn't this remind you of the AUS Falcon from about 2000? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 I've read where non-metallic paints are making a comeback. Expect to see more of them on upcoming cars. Yuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 The thing with Skoda is that their home country possibly has the worst, harshest roads on Earth, so to avoid rattles and the like, they assemble the things like tanks. It's not a fit & finish, or even reliability thing. They just hold up better over time than most other vehicles. Psario Princess of Darkness strikes again you do talk verbal shit. VW might have more to do with Skodas turnaround in fortunes they have gone from being the worst to best built cars since VW sorted them out. It has sod all to do with the weather or climate you talk more shit than T-Stang. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnFan Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Who cares? Once the Ultimate Poser Company takes over VW, Skoda will suck beyond redemption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Who cares? Once the Ultimate Poser Company takes over VW, Skoda will suck beyond redemption. LOL, I can't keep up with it all Lincoln VW want to buy Toyota, Porsche want buy VW. Skoda become the ultimate poser's l think you are talking miricles here now Lincoln. Porsche/Skoda 911 hmmmmm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hard-Drivin' Man Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Looks like a BMW with 2004 Taurus headlights and grill stuck on it. Really! Look at it?! You're right! Good eye! That must be why sales are up 50% in Europe!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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