Harley Lover Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 no hybrid diesel ... in any sort of a plan for Ford ... the rest - I do not know - it is possible Igor Igor, to continue your line of thought, hasn't Ford stated that the Gen 2 hybrid components debuting in the Fusion have been designed in such a way that they are much more flexible in terms of adapting them to different installations? Unlike the Escape's components, which are seemingly pretty much bespoke to that chassis? If all of this is correct, then that at least supports your thought process (at least a little). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 (edited) Igor, to continue your line of thought, hasn't Ford stated that the Gen 2 hybrid components debuting in the Fusion have been designed in such a way that they are much more flexible in terms of adapting them to different installations? Unlike the Escape's components, which are seemingly pretty much bespoke to that chassis? If all of this is correct, then that at least supports your thought process (at least a little). correct - 6 months after the Fusion - the D35 should come out with its hybrid system - so Edge, Flex, and Taurus can all have their hybrid as well. the new system is not complete plug and play - I do not think any hybrid system is like that - but it is more flexible - this of course allows easier applications for smaller I4 engines such as the Fieste or Focus. This laso in theory allows its application to Diesel or EB egines, but those seem like futile excercises in excess torgue - all for extreme amounts of $$$. Igor Edited July 12, 2008 by igor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battyr Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 The generation 2 Hybrid system was designed for the 2.5 L. I can't see how it would fit into a Fiesta. It would add too much cost to the Fiesta. They are better to use some parts from the gen 2 and design smaller versions of the electric motor, and batteries for the Fiesta. Getrag is working on a hybrid Powershift transmission. This with some Ford parts might be the best way to go. You won't get 100 mpg, but I would be happy with a 60 mpg Fiesta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 The generation 2 Hybrid system was designed for the 2.5 L. I can't see how it would fit into a Fiesta. It would add too much cost to the Fiesta. They are better to use some parts from the gen 2 and design smaller versions of the electric motor, and batteries for the Fiesta. Getrag is working on a hybrid Powershift transmission. This with some Ford parts might be the best way to go. You won't get 100 mpg, but I would be happy with a 60 mpg Fiesta. It's a shame there is no hybrid http://jalopnik.com/397712/diesel-ford-fie...us-gets-625-mpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordFanForEver Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 It's a shame there is no hybridhttp://jalopnik.com/397712/diesel-ford-fie...us-gets-625-mpg Will the fiesta debut in the USA with that diesel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Will the fiesta debut in the USA with that diesel? I doubt it, but US legislation will let you buy a diesel pick-up truck that will belch out 100 times more shit out the exhaust pipe than a Fiesta though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 The generation 2 Hybrid system was designed for the 2.5 L. I can't see how it would fit into a Fiesta. It would add too much cost to the Fiesta. They are better to use some parts from the gen 2 and design smaller versions of the electric motor, and batteries for the Fiesta. I concur. Getrag is working on a hybrid PowerShift transmission. This is very back burner/skunk works as of about 4-8 weeks go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Will the fiesta debut in the USA with that diesel? The only diesels planned for the US are the 4.4L and the 6.7L Scorpion, both are V8s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 The only diesels planned for the US are the 4.4L and the 6.7L Scorpion, both are V8s. If they are US legislation environmently friendly compliant maybe they should fit them in a Fiesta then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordFanForEver Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 If they are US legislation environmently friendly compliant maybe they should fit them in a Fiesta then? Ford of europe is much more advanced than Ford of North america and north american is where ford started.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Biggest problem with a diesel hybrid is the constant start/stop cycling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97svtgoin05gt Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 It's a good looking little car. It'll fly off the shelves. Too bad it's taking so long for it to get here. I'd also hope for the top of the line "SVT" version to sport 150-175HP. I'd gladly take 30mpg to still have SOME performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 The only diesels planned for the US are the 4.4L and the 6.7L Scorpion, both are V8s. If they are US legislation environmently friendly compliant maybe they should fit them in a Fiesta then? I'd love to see a Fiesta with either the 4.4 or 6.7. 500-700 ft-lbs of torque at 2,000 rpm and a 6-speed? Works for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydro Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Is there any MPG estimates on the Fiesta? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 There is nothing in that European article, issued from London, that says anything about what engine or transmission choices will be available in the USA, only that the USA version will be built in Mexico and available in 2010, which means MY 2011. Maybe Ford wants to keep Toyota and Honda guessing as to the models, engine and transmission choices that will be available in the USA. After all, if you don't plan to market the car until 2011 MY, why show everything now? Very good point. They are not going to release that information until a few months before launch. The media and everyone else will but Ford will not officially publish the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fords#1Fan Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Good Looking Interior! gotta love that interior! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 I wonder if our Fiesta will have models such as Titanium, etc. or if the US version will have "US" names, like S, SE, SEL, etc.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 I'm pretty certain (but I can't find the press release at the moment) that the Getrag PowerShift 6 speed was announced for the US Fiesta. Getrag has announced that they are building a factory in Mexico near the Ford facility. Yep ! I seem to remember reading about this transmission as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Good Looking Interior! gotta love that interior! That is a pretty nice interior for a b-car, certainly better looking than anything else out there, IMO, both inside and out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Good Looking Interior! gotta love that interior! Very sharp! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 (edited) I wonder if our Fiesta will have models such as Titanium, etc. or if the US version will have "US" names, like S, SE, SEL, etc.? Most likely the US names. I would like to see sport models using the ST and RS names over SVT. Save that for a Mustang or F-150. Overall; IMHO, If the Fiesta is competing with the Yaris, Fit, Aveo, and Accent and has a 118 hp DOHC 1.6L I4 and avail. Getrag. This car WILL sell. I looks like it beats the competition in looks, features and is priced in the same range. Can't wait. Edited July 13, 2008 by Hugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Most likely the US names. I would like to see sport models using the ST and RS names over SVT. Save that for a Mustang or F-150. I too think US names would be more appropriate. No need to confuse the customers, IMO, although with the globalization going on, I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calypsocoral Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 A cheaper, less sophisticated single overhead roller finger follower cam (hence RoCAM) 2 valve/cylinder engine originally developed for Ford of Brazil but now found in several other countries. It is also called the Duratec 8V and is in some versions of the Ka, Fiesta (depending on country) and EcoSport. Key word, "cheaper". Also less powerful. And this is going to be put into a supposedly-cutting-edge vehicle that is supposed to redefine the direction of Ford NA because...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 And this is going to be put into a supposedly-cutting-edge vehicle that is supposed to redefine the direction of Ford NA because...? 2 reasons: 1) the engine is absolutely bulletproof much like old-tech truck engines - it will not quit - no matter what is thrown at it 2) it is Flex Fuel - it would be the smallest,most efficient E85 car on the road. third one is obvious 3) it is cheaper for Ford and for the customer (if Ford decides to pass along the savings). However with Fiesta's NA assembly being in Mexico, I am hopeful this plan has changed, or that there is an optional engine available. Igor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Is there any MPG estimates on the Fiesta? http://jalopnik.com/397712/diesel-ford-fie...us-gets-625-mpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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