RichardJensen Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Let that one lay, everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Let that one lay, everyone. Yes sir, Deputy Dog. Hey... no base V6. Somehow I kept thinking there would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White99GT Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 No...it's because the 4.6 2V is reliable...the 3V is not. (LOTS of spark plug issues) You're information is out of date. No spark plug issues on 3Vs built after Nov. '07, the spark plug was changed over to a more traditional fully threaded plug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8-X Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 I would imagine that the driving experience of the '09 5.4 F150 will be worlds better than the '08's. The truck should not feel sluggish anymore, and people should stop complaining that the engine does not feel like it has 300hp and 365lb ft of torque. After owning a 2V & 3V 5.4L, I'd have to say it's always felt like it produced the lb-ft (350 2V & 365 3V), but they do feel a little short on the hp side once your get over 2500-2750 rpms. I know the 4spd trans bogs down once you hit 2nd, which is a big complaint. Oh, it'll be available on the Silverado along with the 6.0 for the 09 Model. I stand corrected. From my understanding, the 6.2L will only be available on Silvy 1500 CrewCab models for '09. here you go for my source. The 6spd auto is also an option, not standard, and initially only in CrewCab form. Dislike the fact that the 6.2L and 6spd trans will only have the 3.42 gears. The Silvy 5.3L 6spd crew, just like the F150 5.4L will bring home 14/20 mpgs. http://www.pickuptrucks.com/html/2009/chev...el-economy.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 transmission BAH! the sluggishness of the 5.4 is always been from the electronic throttle, not the tranny. Ask anyone with an F150 that has chipped it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaylonJennings Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Wow, I remeber mentioning this like 2-3 months back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8-X Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 (edited) transmission BAH! the sluggishness of the 5.4 is always been from the electronic throttle, not the tranny. Ask anyone with an F150 that has chipped it Don't know if your response is in reference to my post prior to yours, but being I've owned an '02 F150 5.4L 2V & '06 F150 5.4L 3V I think I can speak on the sluggishness behalf. Yes, the electronic throttle is one culprit, but not the complete issue. I had a tuner on my '02, haven't got one on the '06 yet, and yes it woke that 5.4L 2V right up. It did cure much of the throttle lag, but the increase in the rev limiter and firming of the shift points helped greatly. And I frequent plenty of other Ford forums and read plenty of peoples experience on a 5.4L w/tuner. So I hear you, b ut there are other aspects than just the elec. throttle. Wow, I remeber mentioning this like 2-3 months back. Sure did. Amazing how these things come back around every so often. Edited September 11, 2008 by V8-X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Hey... no base V6. Somehow I kept thinking there would be. Would love to see the Volvo I6 with EcoBoost tech put in for duty on the new F series.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomaro Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 transmission BAH! the sluggishness of the 5.4 is always been from the electronic throttle, not the tranny. Ask anyone with an F150 that has chipped it Ford tunes are very conservative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Would love to see the Volvo I6 with EcoBoost tech put in for duty on the new F series.... That would be interesting. A 3.2EB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DearbornDerek Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Looking at those numbers, I can't figure out why Ford even offers the 4.6 2V, unless they are going to put a substantial markup on the 3V. They won't be. The 2V is going to away for 10 or 11 MY (can't remember which). I've been out of the loop for a few months now so things may have been changed, but the eventual engine choices were to be the 3.7, the 4.4, the 4.6 3V, the 5.4 and the 6.2 (which last I heard was cancelled for the 150). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reynolds Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 (edited) transmission BAH! the sluggishness of the 5.4 is always been from the electronic throttle, not the tranny. Ask anyone with an F150 that has chipped it Yes it was, and it was easily tripped up to. I remember how annoying it was in my 06 until I bought a tuner. Man I should have held on to that truck. Edited September 15, 2008 by Michael Reynolds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 Yes sir, Deputy Dog. Hey... no base V6. Somehow I kept thinking there would be. You may be thinking about next year(?) when the (I believe) 3.5EB is being added to the lineup. They won't be. The 2V is going to away for 10 or 11 MY (can't remember which).I've been out of the loop for a few months now so things may have been changed, but the eventual engine choices were to be the 3.7, the 4.4, the 4.6 3V, the 5.4 and the 6.2 (which last I heard was cancelled for the 150). 3.7? I thought that engine was supposed to be Lincoln exclusive and that the F-150 was to get the 3.5 EB? I'm not questioning you per se, but I'm just surprised... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 You may be thinking about next year(?) when the (I believe) 3.5EB is being added to the lineup. I remember that one... I was thinking there'd be a NA V6 in there somewhere. Apparently DearbornDerek has mentioned that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 I remember that one... I was thinking there'd be a NA V6 in there somewhere. Apparently DearbornDerek has mentioned that too. I'm 90% sure there will be a V6 in the F-150, I just think there won't be one for the 09 model year, or at least the beginning of it. But reading the other F-150 thread, there seem to be a lot of speculation that it will be receiving the 3.7 as a base engine, which I thought was supposed to be exclusive to Lincoln. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 Most probably the DI version of the 3.7L will be exclusive to Lincoln, and the regular 3.7L could be used on the Ford trucks. Personally, I dont see the reason to offer the 3.7L, when the 3.5L can achieve almost similar power. I'm not impressed with the 3.7L in the MKS, when competitors are pumping out over 290HP from their 3.7L. Its as, Ford should have jumped from 3.5L to 4.0L, rather than create this 3.7L which is sort of an odd step brother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 (edited) Most probably the DI version of the 3.7L will be exclusive to Lincoln, and the regular 3.7L could be used on the Ford trucks. Personally, I dont see the reason to offer the 3.7L, when the 3.5L can achieve almost similar power. I'm not impressed with the 3.7L in the MKS, when competitors are pumping out over 290HP from their 3.7L. Its as, Ford should have jumped from 3.5L to 4.0L, rather than create this 3.7L which is sort of an odd step brother. Oh, ok, I didn't realize the difference. Thanks. You know I just thought of something....I know the EcoBoost engines have probably been under development for a while; I assume the 3.7 was engineered before the 3.5 EB was completely finished (if it's even completely finished yet), as the 3.7 is already out. This of course is a completely theoretical situation, but maybe Ford didn't know final power numbers on the EB 3.5 when development of the 3.7 finished, and to make sure they didn't go over the EB engine's output (which they theoretically didn't know at the time), they kept the 3.7's output lower/close to the 3.5's output? It may be a stupid idea because they would've likely had some sort of estimate to go off of, but it's just a thought, and I hope it made sense. Another thought I had is maybe after the EB 3.5 is released, we'll see the 3.7 increase in power slightly to become a true "middle" engine (3.5 < 3.7 < EB 3.5) or to "bridge the gap" between the two engines. But I do agree with you, what's the point of the 3.7 when you could get the same power out of a slightly modified 3.5. Edited September 14, 2008 by rmc523 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougarpower Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 I think Ford will squeeze more power out of the 3.7 when the MKS receive a refresh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DearbornDerek Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 I'm 90% sure there will be a V6 in the F-150, I just think there won't be one for the 09 model year, or at least the beginning of it. But reading the other F-150 thread, there seem to be a lot of speculation that it will be receiving the 3.7 as a base engine, which I thought was supposed to be exclusive to Lincoln. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. 3.5, 3.7...Can't remember everything...It's for sure one or the other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante hicks Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 (3.5 > 3.7 > EB 3.5) Why would the 3.5 get the most power and the ecoboost the least? Sorry, the math teacher in me couldn't let it slide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 3.5, 3.7...Can't remember everything...It's for sure one or the other LOL, I guess we'll just have to wait and see... Why would the 3.5 get the most power and the ecoboost the least? Sorry, the math teacher in me couldn't let it slide. Those were supposed to be arrows, I knew that would happen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 I think Ford will squeeze more power out of the 3.7 when the MKS receive a refresh The engineers ran out of time/resources to get DI in the 3.7L. When that's done it will be around 300 hp, right in between the NA 3.5 and EB 3.5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 I'm not impressed with the 3.7L in the MKS, when competitors are pumping out over 290HP from their 3.7L. And I'm not impressed with the torque ratings of the import 3.5/3.7L engines either. They sacrifice low rpm torque for high rpm operation which increases max hp but not torque. The MKS 3.7L has the same or better low end torque. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 The engineers ran out of time/resources to get DI in the 3.7L. When that's done it will be around 300 hp, right in between the NA 3.5 and EB 3.5. That's interesting, didn't know that. Do you have an idea of when it will receive DI? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 That's interesting, didn't know that. Do you have an idea of when it will receive DI? Nope. I'm guessing next fall since they need DI for the EcoBoost engines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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