jpd80 Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Rather, everyone else gained at the expense of GM & Chrysler. I hope this trend continues especially for GM, they are a corpse on legs and need to go away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 They should, I cant think of a better rental vechile. ...fleet ONLY buy cheap, Flex is out of their league....the benefit of keeping production numbers in check... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 They should, I cant think of a better rental vechile. ve-chile? is it mild, medium or HOT?.....or is it manufactured on foreign soil?.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Critic Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 ve-chile? is it mild, medium or HOT?.....or is it manufactured on foreign soil?.... HEY,,, i have the same dyslexia with the exact same word.... perhaps Webster misspelled it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipnzap Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I hope this trend continues especially for GM, they are a corpse on legs and need to go away. This would actually cause damage to Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 HEY,,, i have the same dyslexia with the exact same word.... perhaps Webster misspelled it shhh, I may be the worst offender here...I've gotten to proof reading everything before posting, and I STILL screw it up.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Lincoln Town Car +147.6% (Panthers are on a roll) Hyundia + 14.3% Subaru + 8% Kia +3.5% Chrysler -68.9% ouch! Car sales all brands http://www.autoblog.com/2009/02/03/by-the-...w-year-edition/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 shhh, I may be the worst offender here...I've gotten to proof reading everything before posting, and I STILL screw it up.... Use a spell checker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Use a spell checker. won't let me on BON.....or cut or paste for some reason.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 DETROIT – Driven by an 80 percent reduction in fleet sales, General Motors dealers in the United States delivered 129,227 vehicles in January, down 49 percent compared with a year ago. Retail sales were off 38 percent, but retail market share held steady compared with December. GM’s retail share performance was assisted by reduced-rate APR financing capacity through GMAC and a GM loyalty cash offer. GM January total car sales of 43,943 were off 58 percent and total truck sales (including crossovers) of 85,284 were down 42 percent compared with a year ago. Additionally, retail sales for GM cars and crossovers combined were about 65 percent of sales mix in the month. LINK Hmm, maybe GM are fighting after all. An interesting note, is the G8 managed to sell 1,331 units - not bad for a niche product in hard times. Some other figures: Aveo: 1,595 (5,314 -70.0%) Cobalt: 5,191 (17,310 -70.0%) Corvette: 842 (2,015 -58.2%) Impala: 7,060 (17,544 -59.8%) Malibu: 9,312 (14,541 -36.0%) LaCrosse: 1,489 (4,376 -66.0%) Lucerne: 2,759 (4,840 -43.0%) G5: 767 (1,970 -61.1%) G6: 2,468 (13,942 -82.3%) G8: 1,331 (0 - not sold this time last year) Grand Prix 82 (1,399 -94.1%) Solstice: 304 (858 -64.6%) Vibe: 2,512 (2,338 7.4%) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 won't let me on BON.....or cut or paste for some reason.... Install the Google toolbar. There is a spell checker in it. http://toolbar.google.com/T5/intl/en/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Install the Google toolbar. There is a spell checker in it. http://toolbar.google.com/T5/intl/en/index.html see, can't even open THAT...security on the work computer is pretty intense....so, I'll just tolerate people thinking I'm under edumicated..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TStag Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Lincoln Town Car +147.6% (Panthers are on a roll)Hyundia + 14.3% Subaru + 8% Kia +3.5% Chrysler -68.9% ouch! Car sales all brands http://www.autoblog.com/2009/02/03/by-the-...w-year-edition/ Interesting reading. Once you strip out the likes of Kia/ Hyundai, who are perhaps less established you can see a pattern emerging. The better performing brands are down by only 15% whereas a decent performance is to be down by about 30%. Anything over 35% and it's really grim. 20-30% seems to be where most of the premium brands come out, with the exception of SAAB and Volvo. Maybe it's a currency thing? Shame JLR's figures aren't there too because their global numbers are down by about 35% as far as I know. Volume brands generally seem to be getting hammered but the Japanese brands are holding up better than the US brands. In this context Ford isn't far off the likes of Toyota and Lincoln's doing very well. By GM and Chrysler......ouch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 (edited) Toyota Division passenger cars: 60,017 (-30.8%) Camry and Camry Hybrid:20,782 units Corolla:19,238 units Yaris: 4,440 Prius: 8,121 Toyota light trucks: 42,548 (- 40%) RAV4: 8,034 Tacoma:7,619 Tundra: 7,076 Highlander and Highlander Hybrid: 5,757 Scion:3,923 xB: 1,715 tC: 1,241 units. Lexus: 7,246 (- 37.7%) ES: 2,971 IS: 2,400 LS:904 GS: 898 Lexus light trucks: 7,476 (-21.2%) RX: 6,520 RX 400h: 1,556 TMS posted January sales of 11,876 hybrid vehicles. Toyota Division recorded sales of 10,246 hybrids for the month. Lexus Division reported January sales of 1,630 hybrids. Edited February 3, 2009 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipnzap Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Toyota Division passenger cars: 60,017 (-30.8%) Camry and Camry Hybrid:20,782 units Corolla:19,238 units Yaris: 4,440 Prius: 8,121 How are they still managing to sell that much? I mean WTF, man? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 How are they still managing to sell that much? I mean WTF, man? Advertising? People read and accept all the negative press that Ford GM and Chrysler are in trouble. Like it or not, Mulally standing with the other two has hurt Ford's image with the public. and the press did nothing to set Ford apart from the other two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 How are they still managing to sell that much? I mean WTF, man? My guess... with the Detroit companies reducing rental fleet sales (Ford and GM at least), SOMEONE has to keep Hertz, Budget, Avis, National, Alamo, Enterprise, and Dollar stocked up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Fair enough, but with market forces being as they are and a new one around the corner. That's to be expected. Also it has been my understanding that rental agencies absorb quite a few V-6 Mustangs, and with that market being the way that it is this is not a shocker. Not making excuses, just looking at those figures logically To add, according to the Ford press release, rental fleet sales were down 90% last month, and other fleet sales were down 65%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 To add, according to the Ford press release, rental fleet sales were down 90% last month, and other fleet sales were down 65%. Wow, so all sales were basically retail and just a few business/government fleets. This is the figures at their worst and Ford still has a pretty good retail customer core. I can only imagine what the figures will be like when the economy starts to turn positive. Until then, Ford has to hang tough and hold on through all the "bad" months smiling at GM on life support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2005Explorer Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Impala: 7,060 (17,544 -59.8%)G6: 2,468 (13,942 -82.3%) Well I think we now know how many G6's and Impalas were heading for fleet duty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Well I think we now know how many G6's and Impalas were heading for fleet duty. Depending on GM's fleet % drop (which I don't know what it is), but I'd venture to say quite a few of those numbers are fleet sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 (edited) Depending on GM's fleet % drop (which I don't know what it is), but I'd venture to say quite a few of those numbers are fleet sales. GM is quoting 80% drop in fleet sales on their official website. Here it is: DETROIT – Driven by an 80 percent reduction in fleet sales, General Motors dealers in the United States delivered 129,227 vehicles in January, down 49 percent compared with a year ago. Retail sales were off 38 percent, but retail market share held steady compared with December. GM’s retail share performance was assisted by reduced-rate APR financing capacity through GMAC and a GM loyalty cash offer. GM January total car sales of 43,943 were off 58 percent and total truck sales (including crossovers) of 85,284 were down 42 percent compared with a year ago. Additionally, retail sales for GM cars and crossovers combined were about 65 percent of sales mix in the month. LINK Edited February 4, 2009 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 GM is quoting 80% drop in fleet sales on their official website. Wow so all those cars with -70% or worse drop in sales are fleet queens...ouch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Wow so all those cars with -70% or worse drop in sales are fleet queens...ouch That's a fair assumption. I think GM's true size is about the same as the new Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 GM is quoting 80% drop in fleet sales on their official website. Here it is: Even with that piece of info, I still think quite a few of those numbers are fleet sales (due to the vehicles in question, or at least the Impala). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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