old_fairmont_wagon Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Of course, the flex and edge currently use the D35 and not the D37. I'd imaging the extra displacement of the D37 would make up a bit for the slightly higher power curve of the new cyclone heads in those applications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White99GT Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 IF the new Cyclone heads actually hurt bottom end power. That's a big assumption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 IF the new Cyclone heads actually hurt bottom end power. That's a big assumption. Yes, it is an assumption, and one probably impossible to prove as Ford does not release HP and Torque diagrams (with accurate scales). However, given that the bore and stroke are constant, and a few other limiting facts, the likely assumption is a trade of of low end torque for high end power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battyr Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Less weight :happy feet: , only around 40 hp lower than MY10 (20 for 05-09). Remember the PIP 3.0L in the Fusion. It gets 10% improvement in power and torque with improved fuel efficiency. Most of this is coming from the Cam Torque Actuated (CTA) iVCT technology. The 3.5L EB engine will be getting this. This is a technical improvement that most if not all Ford engines will be getting in the future. I expect the 3.5L NA to get it soon. Better than just max torque, CTA improves to shape of torque curve. While I doubt that a small weight reduction and a 6 speed automatic will make up for a loss of 40 hp. It will make up for a 10 to 20 hp loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Autoblog finally catches with BON Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red454 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 I was in the Navistar plant last week - there are skids and skids of blocks ready for assembly. Sad to see the place so quiet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 I was in the Navistar plant last week - there are skids and skids of blocks ready for assembly. Sad to see the place so quiet... Navistar? What do they have to do with the 3.7L V6? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Navistar? What do they have to do with the 3.7L V6? I was wondering that myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 I was wondering that myself. I think he might have posted in the wrong thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 I think he might have posted in the wrong thread. Yeah, probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue II Posted June 17, 2009 Author Share Posted June 17, 2009 Autoblog finally catches with BON Says they got their tip from Shibby9505. I doubt it. Wonder what they will say about a 3.5 EB Pony? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Says they got their tip from Shibby9505. I doubt it. Wonder what they will say about a 3.5 EB Pony? I don't know what they'll but I do know what I say: :happy feet: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_fairmont_wagon Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 I can only pray that a 3.5 EB pony has a completely defeatable traction control for some fantastic burnouts (instead of corporate getting scared and mandating one that isn't) and a track handling package worth its weight in gold. The existing packs are great, but if they can get just a touch better handling out of the steed, then the lightness of the 3.5L EB setup with its prodigeous power will make it the true successor of the SVO and what the SVO should have been all along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T'Cal Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 (edited) I had always hoped that Ford would update the SOHC 4.0L V6 with a 3V head like on the 4.6L V8 in the GT. If the V6 improved as much as the V8 did when the extra valve was added in 05, the 4.0 would likely be in the 255HP range; torque would've gone up noticeably, too. Edited June 19, 2009 by T'Cal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 I had always hoped that Ford would update the SOHC 4.0L V6 with a 3V head like on the 4.6L V8 in the GT. If the V6 improved as much as the V8 did when the extra valve was added in 05, the 4.0 would likely be in the 255HP range; torque would've gone up noticeably, too. In proportion with the 4.6 3V, a 3 valve 4.0 V6 would give similar power/torque as the Duratec 37. A lot to change to justify when the Duratec 3.7 already exists with 4 valve, VCT and alloy block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 In proportion with the 4.6 3V, a 3 valve 4.0 V6 would give similar power/torque as the Duratec 37.A lot to change to justify when the Duratec 3.7 already exists with 4 valve, VCT and alloy block. and cleaner tailpipes.....along w better mileage,,,,,,,,,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 and cleaner tailpipes.....along w better mileage,,,,,,,,,,, Exactly, Duratec 35/37 captures all the features Ford wants including Ecoboost. Who would have thought the Aussie I-6 would have outlived a lot of other Ford six cylinder engines, 290 lb ft @3200 and 260 hp @ 6000 with a log manifold and single exhaust no less. It pulls like a train and should be in the Mustang, maybe next product cycle........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 Exactly, Duratec 35/37 captures all the features Ford wants including Ecoboost. Who would have thought the Aussie I-6 would have outlived a lot of other Ford six cylinder engines, 290 lb ft @3200 and 260 hp @ 6000 with a log manifold and single exhaust no less. It pulls like a train and should be in the Mustang, maybe next product cycle........ Packaging perhaps...that and a Koalas sense of smell PALES in comparison to an angry underappreciated underpaid EPA employee.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Versa-Tech Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 I've heard that current gen D37s are dialed back a bit to conserve the FW-drivetrain. Does anyone know how much power D37 was prducing before they neutered it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 Packaging perhaps...that and a Koalas sense of smell PALES in comparison to an angry underappreciated underpaid EPA employee.... End of July is the cut off for FoA deciding power train use beyond CY 2102 ( the next Falcon platform) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Wonder what they will say about a 3.5 EB Pony? I say GT 350! :happy feet: :happy feet: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colognecapri Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 I'm hoping that the 3.7 V6 replaces the Cologne V6 for 2011 MY as my lease on my 07 V6/manual ends next fall. I was really disappointed when the 2010 launched with old powertrains. They also need to get 6 speed manuals on both V6 and V8 ASAP. With the 6th gear, you could have 3.73 acceleration with better than 3.31 highway fuel milage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 I'm hoping that the 3.7 V6 replaces the Cologne V6 for 2011 MY as my lease on my 07 V6/manual ends next fall. I was really disappointed when the 2010 launched with old powertrains. They also need to get 6 speed manuals on both V6 and V8 ASAP. With the 6th gear, you could have 3.73 acceleration with better than 3.31 highway fuel milage. Rumor has it that all transmissions for 2011 will be 6 speeds (auto and manual). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomaro Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 (edited) It pulls like a train and should be in the Mustang, maybe next product cycle........ Sorry, it wouldn't fly. Different culture. Besides, we don't need a redone Supra. Edited June 20, 2009 by atomaro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 (edited) Sorry, it wouldn't fly. Different culture. Besides, we don't need a redone Supra. There are no plans for the "Indians" to move off the reservation Edited June 20, 2009 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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