Inselaffe Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 The second cooling system is for the inlet air charge, fuel, transmission fluid and EGR. Not the cylinder heads. A good way to achieve the delta-T required to cool each of these, rather than using engine coolant temperature. Of course it's added complexity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30 OTT 6 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 I guess my thread wasn't good enough: :shrug: http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/index...showtopic=34722 There can be only one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battyr Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 I don't know, but wonder if they are trying to increase performance by keeping the head cooler than the block.... You missed the quote. The second cooling system is for the inlet air charge, fuel, transmission fluid and EGR. Not the cylinder heads. Oops, I guess I should read the whole quote before replying. In any case, cooling the Inlet air and EGR has the same effect as cooling the head. I have always wondered whether a water to air intercooler would be more effective than Air to Air. I see the value in using different temperatures to cool different things. I have read that having the ideal temperature in different fluids like transmission fluid reduces friction a lot. I am surprised that they are spending the money on a separate pump and radiator to achieve the different temperatures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 (edited) There can be only one! Mine was started 4 hours before this one, only four minutes after this information came out..... Edited August 31, 2009 by rmc523 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Mine was started 4 hours before this one, only four minutes after this information came out..... Yours doesn't have the cool "Beware the Scorpion" opening line! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Yours doesn't have the cool "Beware the Scorpion" opening line! Yup, I figured that may've been it.....I've never been good at coming up with "catchy" phrases like that though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Yup, I figured that may've been it.....I've never been good at coming up with "catchy" phrases like that though. ...but your photoshopping skills are first rate..... :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 ...but your photoshopping skills are first rate..... :D Thanks. I try.....I do what I can in MS Paint LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Not the current Transit. I4/I5 engines only. 4.4L definitely fit in the E Series the transit uses more compact struts, the engine sits lower, and the engine compartment is wide enough to fit a transverse drive train. the issue is not width it is length, unlike the e-series the transit fits it's motors in front of the firewall not in-between the front seats. that gives you alot more room to maneuver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battyr Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 the transit uses more compact struts, the engine sits lower, and the engine compartment is wide enough to fit a transverse drive train. the issue is not width it is length, unlike the e-series the transit fits it's motors in front of the firewall not in-between the front seats. that gives you alot more room to maneuver. Yes. I think people are confusing what Ford is putting into the Transit v.s. what they are capable of putting into the Transit van. I saw a picture of a V-8 that someone put into the Transit van. It looked like it had lots of room to spare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 I saw a picture of a V-8 that someone put into the Transit van. And there's guys out there running VWs on restaurant grease. It's amazing what you can do when you don't have to warranty, crash test, emissions certify, silence, or manufacture hundreds of thousands of units. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Yes. I think people are confusing what Ford is putting into the Transit v.s. what they are capable of putting into the Transit van. I saw a picture of a V-8 that someone put into the Transit van. It looked like it had lots of room to spare. Not that anyone seems to believe me, but ... Word from an inside source, the US transit (whenever it shows up) will have a EU powertrain. Forget your dreams of Scorpion or even the 4.4L. They are not going to happen. After all, it is a "global vehicle" ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Not that anyone seems to believe me, but ... Word from an inside source, the US transit (whenever it shows up) will have a EU powertrain. Forget your dreams of Scorpion or even the 4.4L. They are not going to happen. After all, it is a "global vehicle" ! One Ford! BTW- latest news is Dodge will no longer sell the Sprinter, it will be available only at authorized Freightliner and (get this!) Mercedes Benz dealerships! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 the US transit (whenever it shows up) will have a EU powertrain I'd sooner believe that than believe that Ford would force an engine twice the size of the largest currently installed engine into the Transit. Now how they'll manage to make a 300lb-ft engine haul a 24k GCWR vehicle----- The most powerful diesel in the Transit range is roughly on par with the V10--and that's before it's US emissions certified. The Transit is NOT a suitable replacement for the E-Series Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blksn8k2 Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Not the current Transit. I4/I5 engines only. 4.4L definitely fit in the E Series Is the 4.4 yet another design separate from the 6.7? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Is the 4.4 yet another design separate from the 6.7? Yes it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLPRacing Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 One Ford! BTW- latest news is Dodge will no longer sell the Sprinter, it will be available only at authorized Freightliner and (get this!) Mercedes Benz dealerships! Actually, it will be at Freightliner & "Daimler Van USA" dealerships. From the Autoblog link "Mercedes is switching to 120 dealers branded Daimler Vans USA." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noah Harbinger Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Not that anyone seems to believe me, but ... Word from an inside source, the US transit (whenever it shows up) will have a EU powertrain. Forget your dreams of Scorpion or even the 4.4L. They are not going to happen. After all, it is a "global vehicle" ! Mostly I believe the manufacturer's publicly released statistics derived from industry standard protocols when a vehicle is in the showroom and selling. Mostly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Is the 4.4 yet another design separate from the 6.7? Actually that is what killed the 4.4L The plan was to have one set of engineers do development on both engines simultaneously. The thought was "How different could 2 V8 diesels be ?" Well, they were. And they did not want to add more resources to bring them both home. (Actually, one engineer told me, they were "afraid" of "how good" the 4.4L was ! "Too close" in performance to the Scorpion. No data to support that claim.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Actually that is what killed the 4.4L So...the 4.4L Diesel is dead for sure? Or just "shelved" for the near term... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 So...the 4.4L Diesel is dead for sure? Or just "shelved" for the near term... Shelved. I heard the same thing that CGIron reported. The tooling was purchase. Probably not yet installed and/or made ready for production. There is a ray of hope. I would be a great engine for E250 and most E350. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Shelved. I heard the same thing that CGIron reported. The tooling was purchase. Probably not yet installed and/or made ready for production. There is a ray of hope. I would be a great engine for E250 and most E350. and the F250 and base for the F350. I don't need 400 HP and 700 lb-ft of torque in an F250. 300 / 500-550 would be perfect for an F250. Coupled with a bit less weight and a bit better fuel economy, that would be sweet for towing a 8k lb fiver! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 I'd sooner believe that than believe that Ford would force an engine twice the size of the largest currently installed engine into the Transit. Now how they'll manage to make a 300lb-ft engine haul a 24k GCWR vehicle----- The most powerful diesel in the Transit range is roughly on par with the V10--and that's before it's US emissions certified. The Transit is NOT a suitable replacement for the E-Series in your opinion. I don't think ford Would Do anything to hurt their market share. AGAIN, We really don't know what Ford plans to do. We will have to trust their judgment, and belive they know what they are doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Shelved. I heard the same thing that CGIron reported. The tooling was purchase. Probably not yet installed and/or made ready for production. There is a ray of hope. I would be a great engine for E250 and most E350. I concur 1000%....a wonderful addition to Econoline. How to meld the best of Econoline and Transit is the obvious question that Ford must resolve if they truly are interested in the "One Ford" approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 (edited) Just for kicks, I built a Ford Transit as listed below....it comes in at a whopping $43,044.85 (converted from British Pounds to US Dollars) and that is before the VAT...but, it is a brute in form...dual rear wheels, 200PS (approx. 197HP) and 470Nm (approx. 346 Ft. Lbs.) of torque. with a 2,265 Kg (4993 Lb) GVW. Sounds pretty stout....Econoline can do that and more....right? ******************************************************************** 03 September 2009 19:02 Your vehicle 350 LWB Single Chassis Cab Jumbo Dual Rear Wheel - Transit (Base) Base price £26,370.00 Standard Features 3.2 Duratorq TDCi Diesel (200PS) - RWD Rear Wheel Drive Axle Ratio 4.10 Jumbo Dual Rear Wheel - Transit (Base) Front Brakes - Brake Pad Wear Indicator, 80 litres fuel tank, Power-Assisted Steering,Front, independent MacPherson struts, variable rate coil springs, stabiliser bar and gas-pressurised shock absorbers. Rear, leaf springs and gas-pressurised shock absorbers Selected options Frozen White £0.00 Price Summary Total price (excl. VAT) * £26,370.00 VAT £3,956.00 Total price * £30,326.00 Edited September 4, 2009 by twintornados Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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