TomServo92 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Link Mustang closes the gap on the Camaro (approx. 1K difference). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevys Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Link Mustang closes the gap on the Camaro (approx. 1K difference). They are actually down 6 percent and were clever in hiding the truth. This represents a total sales decline of 6 percent from the previous year Gm is trying to spin the truth for PR purposes imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 (edited) Retail sales at Chevrolet, Buick, GMC Cadillac UP 13%. Overall sales DOWN 6%. Hummer, Pontiac, Saturn, Saab sales accounted for 9% of retail sales. Hummer, Pontiac, Saturn, Saab inventories are now under 6000 total units. Make of this what you will. My take? It's going to be very difficult for GM to maintain momentum with 4 fewer brands chipping in sales. Good in the long run if they can manage it, but I wouldn't expect to see too many big gains in sales for GM throughout the year. Edited January 5, 2010 by NickF1011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted January 5, 2010 Author Share Posted January 5, 2010 They are actually down 6 percent and were clever in hiding the truth. Gm is trying to spin the truth for PR purposes imo. Geez, how did I miss that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Surviving brands retail sales up 13%, all brands retail sales up 7% Ford retail sales up 15% GM lost December in fleet, in retail, in retail with an asterisk and they lost 2009 in fleet, in retail, in retail with an asterisk and just about other metric you could choose to selectively apply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forddaughter Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Yahoo is saying 33% decline for the year at GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 (edited) Yahoo is saying 33% decline for the year at GM. -30.1% to be precise. -26.7% in their "core" brands, -46.7% in their "non-core" brands. Edited January 5, 2010 by NickF1011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 I will say one thing for GM: Their larger CUV's/SUV's are unstoppable on the sales charts. Suburban/Tahoe/Traverse sales absolutely dwarf Expedition/Explorer/Flex sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted January 5, 2010 Author Share Posted January 5, 2010 Make of this what you will. My take? It's going to be very difficult for GM to maintain momentum with 4 fewer brands chipping in sales. Good in the long run if they can manage it, but I wouldn't expect to see too many big gains in sales for GM throughout the year. GM seems to believe that potential buyers of the dead brands will just buy from one of the surviving GM brands. Some will but how many will just defect to another brand? I think that number will be far higher than GM anticipates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Well, most Ponitac buyers were rental agencies, so they GM can now get more profitiable sales. OTOH Saturn loyalists defected when the Ion was introduced! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 I will say one thing for GM: Their larger CUV's/SUV's are unstoppable on the sales charts. Suburban/Tahoe/Traverse sales absolutely dwarf Expedition/Explorer/Flex sales. Tahoe/Suburban has always beaten Expy for whatever reason. As for Traverse......rental fleets anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 Tahoe/Suburban has always beaten Expy for whatever reason. As for Traverse......rental fleets anyone? Tahoe/Suburban drivers are like Chevy/GMC truck drivers - most wouldn't consider a Ford product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 Tahoe/Suburban drivers are like Chevy/GMC truck drivers - most wouldn't consider a Ford product. But why did they become Tahoe/Suburban drivers in the first place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 But why did they become Tahoe/Suburban drivers in the first place? They've been on the market alot longer then the Expedition has been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 They've been on the market alot longer then the Expedition has been. Yeah, but it's not like all of Tahoe/Suburban buyers are repeat buyers. They are simply more popular, even with new buyers, for whatever reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 Yeah, but it's not like all of Tahoe/Suburban buyers are repeat buyers. They are simply more popular, even with new buyers, for whatever reason. I don't understand it either - Expedition has always seemed like a better/nicer vehicle to me (especially before the '07 Tahoe/Suburban came out, IMO). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mettech Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 Yeah, but it's not like all of Tahoe/Suburban buyers are repeat buyers. They are simply more popular, even with new buyers, for whatever reason. My daughter is going to buy a new GMC Denali this spring. She sat in a Expedition for 30 sec and said no to it. She did the same thing with the Edge. She prefers the looks inside and out of the Tahoe or Denali. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 My daughter is going to buy a new GMC Denali this spring. She sat in a Expedition for 30 sec and said no to it. She did the same thing with the Edge. She prefers the looks inside and out of the Tahoe or Denali. Ford shouldn't care about that lost sale. If she couldn't give the car sixty seconds of her time, then there's not enough money in the world to turn those cars into what she wants. Especially if she prefers what GM is making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 I also prefer GM's full size SUV's to Ford's. But I do like Ford's midsize SUV and CUV offerings better then GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 I also prefer GM's full size SUV's to Ford's. But I do like Ford's midsize SUV and CUV offerings better then GM. Interior packaging is enough to keep me from looking at any of the GM full sizers... that seating arrangement has needed a redesign as long as I can remember! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 Interior packaging is enough to keep me from looking at any of the GM full sizers... that seating arrangement has needed a redesign as long as I can remember! Especially/mainly that 3rd row! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wish4newstang Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 Retail sales at Chevrolet, Buick, GMC Cadillac UP 13%. Overall sales DOWN 6%. Hummer, Pontiac, Saturn, Saab sales accounted for 9% of retail sales. Hummer, Pontiac, Saturn, Saab inventories are now under 6000 total units. Make of this what you will. My take? It's going to be very difficult for GM to maintain momentum with 4 fewer brands chipping in sales. Good in the long run if they can manage it, but I wouldn't expect to see too many big gains in sales for GM throughout the year. still do not understand dumping pontiac, huge mistake, but we shall see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 still do not understand dumping pontiac, huge mistake, but we shall see Huh? Pontiac was largely rental fleet sales.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 I also prefer GM's full size SUV's to Ford's. But I do like Ford's midsize SUV and CUV offerings better then GM. Personally, I prefer the Tahoe/Suburban styling (at least exterior-wise) to the Expedition also. I hope the new Explorer turns out as nice as the Edge. Might be just the right size for my next vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 still do not understand dumping pontiac, huge mistake, but we shall see The problem with keeping Pontiac is that it is far too much of a "mainstream" brand to keep investing it in enough to keep both its and Chevrolet's lineups up to snuff with the competition. Pontiac had largely become redundant, becoming little more than Chevrolets with twin opening grilles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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