NickF1011 Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 What I'm trying to say is that I am concerned by companies like Hyundai who are moving more aggresively than Ford and are quickly outflanking them. When I see Ford with the eldest chasis and bodies sitting in the segment, I can't help but be concerned that there is no way for them to catch up. The Camry's chassis is far older than any of the other mainstream midsizers and it still outsells everyone else. Calling the Fusion outdated is ridiculous. Its sales clearly demonstrate just how competitive the average shopper thinks it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 the only thing that bugs me is that the door panels aren't soft touch on the mustang or edge. though the new explorer has soft touch doors. Eh, I've noticed it in my Edge. Is it an issue? Not at all. With the high door sills on the Edge (and the Mustang) the door material is pretty irrelevant. The parts you actually ever touch like the grab handles and arm rests are all soft touch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 The Camry's chassis is far older than any of the other mainstream midsizers and it still outsells everyone else. Calling the Fusion outdated is ridiculous. Its sales clearly demonstrate just how competitive the average shopper thinks it is. It's outsold by Malibu, Altima, Camry, Accord, and Sonata. It's hardly a stellar performer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 It's outsold by Malibu, Altima, Camry, Accord, and Sonata. It's hardly a stellar performer. Sonata, Malibu, Altima, and Fusion have been trading places month-to-month for the past year or so. The only two that consistently outsell the Fusion are Camry and Accord, both of which are two of the older vehicles in the segment as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 It's outsold by Malibu, Altima, Camry, Accord, and Sonata. It's hardly a stellar performer. The Malibu is a fleet queen. On every trip I've made this year, the rental car lots were full of Malibus by ratio of at least 10:1. Threre's also a growing number Camry's and Sonata's on the losts too. However, Fusions are hard to find (I know because I look for one every time I go on a trip). The one car I never see on rental lots is the Accord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 It's outsold by Malibu, Altima, Camry, Accord, and Sonata. It's hardly a stellar performer. Sonata, Malibu, Altima, and Fusion have been trading places month-to-month for the past year or so. The only two that consistently outsell the Fusion are Camry and Accord, both of which are two of the older vehicles in the segment as well. The Malibu is a fleet queen. On every trip I've made this year, the rental car lots were full of Malibus by ratio of at least 10:1. Threre's also a growing number Camry's and Sonata's on the losts too. However, Fusions are hard to find (I know because I look for one every time I go on a trip). The one car I never see on rental lots is the Accord. In October, Malibu took a dip all the way down to 12k sales, compared to around 17k for the Sonata and Fusion. A 5-6k dip in sales doesn't happen for no reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mettech Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Eh, I've noticed it in my Edge. Is it an issue? Not at all. With the high door sills on the Edge (and the Mustang) the door material is pretty irrelevant. The parts you actually ever touch like the grab handles and arm rests are all soft touch. I'm very surprised (and disappointed) to hear the the inside door panel is hard plastic on the 2011 Edge. The door on the 2011 Fusion is soft from the arm rest up. My 2005 F-350 door panel is hard. Wonder what is the criteria is that determines hard or soft material on the inside door panel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 I'm very surprised (and disappointed) to hear the the inside door panel is hard plastic on the 2011 Edge. The door on the 2011 Fusion is soft from the arm rest up. My 2005 F-350 door panel is hard. Wonder what is the criteria is that determines hard or soft material on the inside door panel? Yet more reason to spring for the MKX, a soft window sill The Edge/MKX have the best window armrest in the biz, you can use it with or without the window open, nice and spacious! Love those chunky doors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Yet more reason to spring for the MKX, a soft window sill The Edge/MKX have the best window armrest in the biz, you can use it with or without the window open, nice and spacious! Love those chunky doors. I really don't see the big deal. I find the sill to be too high to use as an arm rest. The actual arm rest is nice and soft. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 For consumers like me, or anybody young(ish) and willing to spend big bucks on a car, design is EXTREMELY important. A general truth is no justification for your value judgment vis a vis the quality of Ford's design. The dramatically increased consideration of Ford products among people in our age group suggests that Ford is doing the right things, regardless of your OPINION of their design decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 (edited) A general truth is no justification for your value judgment vis a vis the quality of Ford's design. The dramatically increased consideration of Ford products among people in our age group suggests that Ford is doing the right things, regardless of your OPINION of their design decisions. Would I (someone in that key demographic) have considered a Ford vehicle 4-5 years ago? Nope, or I would likely have bought one instead of my Mazda6. The only models I really liked were the Mustang, but I already owned one of those, and the F-series, which I had no use for at all. Would I consider one now? Obviously. Was much of it because of the design of the vehicle? Absoluuuuuuuuuutely! :yup: Edited November 23, 2010 by NickF1011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 (edited) I really don't see the big deal. I find the sill to be too high to use as an arm rest. The actual arm rest is nice and soft. :D I'm rather tallish 6'3" (one of the main reasons I stuck with an MKX) so it perfect for me A general truth is no justification for your value judgment vis a vis the quality of Ford's design. The dramatically increased consideration of Ford products among people in our age group suggests that Ford is doing the right things, regardless of your OPINION of their design decisions. They are doing some right things, but not as many as they could be. That's all I'm saying. And certainly I'm placing a value judgement on design but I think it's critical to the long-term success in a increasingly competitive envrionment, the next two years are going to be much tougher for Ford as they now take the lead (chiefly GM and Hyundai). Edited November 23, 2010 by BORG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazerdude20 Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 I really don't see the big deal. I find the sill to be too high to use as an arm rest. The actual arm rest is nice and soft. :D its not a deal breaker for me, heck my 07 was all plastic, but i like to hang my arm out the window. the hard plastic gets uncomfortable after a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 They are doing some right things, but not as many as they could be. Oh good grief, Borg, you'll be able to say that from now until the end of time. It's a meaningless comment. "You could do better" is the dumbest bit of advice and the shallowest form of criticism this side of "I don't like it." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 (edited) It's outsold by Malibu, Altima, Camry, Accord, and Sonata. It's hardly a stellar performer. Ford made a value judgment not to sell high volume profit like Camry, they instead ask for a higher average price and are getting it from buyers. More profit from fewer car sales. Borg, don't ever consider yourself to be an average Fusion buyer or representative of that group, those buyers are nowhere as particular as you, a person who seems barely satisfied with a Lincoln. Ford products are continually improving, the fact that they're not improving quickly enough for you is disappointing but considering where Ford was four years ago, I'd say they're doing OK. Edited November 23, 2010 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Oh good grief, Borg, you'll be able to say that from now until the end of time. It's a meaningless comment. "You could do better" is the dumbest bit of advice and the shallowest form of criticism this side of "I don't like it." yeaah, but wouldnt ya love to go Wine Tasting with him....LMAO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 yeaah, but wouldnt ya love to go Wine Tasting with him....LMAO! No. I don't 'taste' wine. I drink it. And I prefer whiskey to wine. I don't 'get' wine, and I have a pretty thin opinion of those who gush over this or that vintage or vintner or vineyard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 No. I don't 'taste' wine. I drink it. And I prefer whiskey to wine. I don't 'get' wine, and I have a pretty thin opinion of those who gush over this or that vintage or vintner or vineyard. Love a good glass of vino, but definitely not a snob, just drink what i like, and Ive had some cheapos that I prefered over so called Preemos.....but good steak and a glass of red...GOOD STUFF! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 No. I don't 'taste' wine. I drink it. And I prefer whiskey to wine. I don't 'get' wine, and I have a pretty thin opinion of those who gush over this or that vintage or vintner or vineyard. Oddly enough, I just saw a similar post over at the wine enthusiast forum I'm on... No. I don't 'enjoy' cars. I drink them. And I prefer bikes to cars. I don't 'get' cars, and I have a pretty thin opinion of those who gush over this or that make or model or engine. :shades: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrewfanGRB Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 They are doing some right things, but not as many as they could be. That's all I'm saying. And certainly I'm placing a value judgement on design but I think it's critical to the long-term success in a increasingly competitive envrionment So why didn't you buy something else? "You can do better" is meaningless. Even the class leader in any segment can technically "do better"...so it's irrelevant. And frankly, your harping on "design" means nothing to me at all, since you ACTUALLY bought the damn vehicle. Seems like design isn't so important to you, after all. The only difference between you and SevensecondSUV (who has equally misplaced demands on what Ford should be doing to make itself successful), is he holds true to his beliefs and simply doesn't buy a Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 the wine enthusiast forum I'm on You belong to a wine enthusiast forum? That's pretty L7 dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 You belong to a wine enthusiast forum? That's pretty L7 dude. It was a joke... I don't get wine either. Are there even wine enthusiast forums??? I'll take Blue Moon or Stella over wine any day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 on that note I just added to my sig.........LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Are there even wine enthusiast forums??? Yes. And I'd bet the small handful of people that actually 'get' wine don't go there, and all the poseurs do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Yes. And I'd bet the small handful of people that actually 'get' wine don't go there, and all the poseurs do. you mean the Persol people that drive Porsches and brandish Rolex's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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