bobbyd Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Just read Ford is recalling 7600 New Escapes for coolant leak that could cause overheating/fire. Watch Channel 7 News tonight...they love to slam Ford on the 6PM news. The lead anchor owns a Volt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svtenthusiast Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) I love how they try to confuse the situation in these articles by bringing up the past 2 recalls, plus the throttle one from the 1st gen units, you know, because it has so much to do with the 2013 model. On another note, glad I bought one with the 2.0 EB as it's bugs were worked out on the Edge and Explorer. Looks like the 1.6L has some introduction pains. Edited September 5, 2012 by svtenthusiast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) Where are these engines being made? Bridgend? When was the last time the US got engines from this plant (not counting PAG product)? At this point, this is a borderline inexcusable deviation from expected practices. As Padilla used to say: 'The customer can see it. Why can't you?' Edited September 5, 2012 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97svtgoin05gt Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Clearly this 1.6 unit didn't get the QC it needed before release. It is a shame that such a nice product is experiencing such a difficult debut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Where are these engines being made? Bridgend? When was the last time the US got engines from this plant (not counting PAG product)? Bridgend Engine Plant is correct. All previous vehicles equipped with engines manufactured at this facility were PAG products. Incidentally, it may make sense to manufacture badges for the word 'RECALL' and affix them to each new Escape produced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) Autoblog Sighs! I give up. Edited September 5, 2012 by BORG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92merc Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 With only 7600 models affected, at least they are catching the problems before it turns into 50k, or 100k units. Not the massive recalls of just a while ago for Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Dammit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 With only 7600 models affected, at least they are catching the problems before it turns into 50k, or 100k units. Not the massive recalls of just a while ago for Ford. That's the important point. It's undeniably unfortunate, and there will be future problems, too. But it sure is good to see how fast Ford will respond. We don't need any more 3.8 intakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donaldo Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Maybe this 1.6 will just be a stopgap engine while Ford gets the new hybrid/PHEV drivetrain ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Guinea pigs. Never buy a first year, all-new product. Ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Maybe this 1.6 will just be a stopgap engine while Ford gets the new hybrid/PHEV drivetrain ready. No hybrid Escape. That is what the C-Max is for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron W. Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Never buy a first year, all-new product. Odds of that changing for Ford ? I'd really like to see the quality/reliability tested befor new model release. p.s. glad you're posting again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Maybe this 1.6 will just be a stopgap engine while Ford gets the new hybrid/PHEV drivetrain ready. thought I heard that a 1.5 is the engine for the 'way forward' in this category... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazerdude20 Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Guinea pigs. Never buy a first year, all-new product. Ever. Honestly until the Escape it hasn't seemed to be an issue the last 5 years. I can't remember another product launch for Ford with as many issues as this thing has had. Ps. Also glad to see you posting again. Production insight is always appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkisler Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Guinea pigs. Never buy a first year, all-new product. Ever. I agree. And that's regardless of manufacturer. Nice to see you posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 (edited) Guinea pigs. Never buy a first year, all-new product. Ever. This doesn't have to be true and I generally reject it, but the new Focus and Escape are two good examples where that axiom holds true. Actually, every globally produced Ford has had significant problems, including the original Escape and Focus (and substantially worse than what's going on now). So I would say it's wise to avoid any globally produced Ford for the first year, including the new Fusion and MKZ. They have never had a smooth launch with any such product. Of course, it's up to you if you wish to put up with the nuisances of recalls and bug fixes. Edited September 6, 2012 by BORG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 In fairness, the 2.0 launch has gone well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 (edited) A contact I have in Ford engineering (Dearborn) had one comment about the 1.6L (I'm paraphrasing), "if it's designed or built by the Brits, it's crap. They have no idea what they're doing." Edited September 6, 2012 by mackinaw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 (edited) A contact I have in Ford engineering (Dearborn) had one comment about the 1.6L (I'm paraphrasing), "if it's designed or built by the Brits, it's crap. They have no idea what they're doing." Probably a good thing that a majority of Fusions will be built with the 2.5 at this point, which may explain why Ford rolled back a bit on a standard 1.6L in the SE models while making it virtually standard on the cheaper Escape. Edited September 6, 2012 by BORG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoser768 Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Never buy a first year, all-new product. Ever. Yeah, my 05 Five Hundred burned me good. Seat heater harness pinched - warranty 0$ CVT Surge - TSB - Warranty -0$ Gas tank straps - recall - 0$ Not perfect, but not enough to scare me from buying another first-year product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 (edited) Yeah, my 05 Five Hundred burned me good. Seat heater harness pinched - warranty 0$ CVT Surge - TSB - Warranty -0$ Gas tank straps - recall - 0$ Not perfect, but not enough to scare me from buying another first-year product. I had 3 Lincoln LS's (2000, 2002, 2005), the 2005 was the only one that gave me persistent and significant (towed away) headaches. My 2007 MKX and MKZ were also nearly faultless, although both had the leaky Power Take-Off assembly problems (AWD component). The 2009 Mercury Mariner was probably the poorest quality Ford I've ever owned and that was far from 1st year, and I know my neighbors had colossal problems with his 2008 Escape (so much so he never bought another Ford). In many ways, 1st year can be the highest quality, and then the decontenting happens and the quality sinks. However, then there is my 2011 Lincoln MKX with MLT which was a total early-adopter's nightmare. Because of it, my 2011 MKX made more warranty trips than any other car I've owned, but it was a single non critical issue which I don't categorize in the same way. Edited September 6, 2012 by BORG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Probably a good thing that a majority of Fusions will be built with the 2.5 at this point Says who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 (edited) Says who? The production balance is scheduled that way. And unlike the Escape, you can get a fully loaded Fusion with the 2.5L which cuts the price by $800 so there is tremendous incentive to stick with the 2.5L form when this market tends to be very price sensitive. Edited September 6, 2012 by BORG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 I can't remember another product launch for Ford with as many issues as this thing has had. The 2000 Ford Focus ring a bell? There are 18 total recalls on that model year and 8 of them were issued before the end of 2001. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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