rmc523 Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 http://www.autoblog.com/2013/01/15/2014-cadillac-elr-is-making-green-sexy-in-detroit/ I don't know about you all, but I'm getting tired of the Cadillac designs, they all look the same. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 (edited) This looks absolutely stunning to me, but oddly proportioned at the same time. It's a bit earth-shattering and I'm very glad to see Detroit do something so extraordinary. BTW, fantastic photography Caddy! Edited January 15, 2013 by BORG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 15, 2013 Author Share Posted January 15, 2013 This looks absolutely stunning to me, but oddly proportioned at the same time. It's a bit earth-shattering and I'm very glad to see Detroit do something so extraordinary. BTW, fantastic photography Caddy! Extraordinary in what sense, powertrain? The design to me is nothing but the same rehashed Cadillac look we've had for however many years now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Looks like the same old Cadillac from here except newer paint and materials and technology. The centre console looks like Cadillac and Lincoln share the same supplier. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 15, 2013 Author Share Posted January 15, 2013 Looks like the same old Cadillac from here except newer paint and materials and technology. The centre console looks like Cadillac and Lincoln share the same supplier. My point exactly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92LX302 Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Cadillac Gallardo.Yeah, getting a bit tired of the design also... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 (edited) Extraordinary in what sense, powertrain? The design to me is nothing but the same rehashed Cadillac look we've had for however many years now. Ford couldn't design a coupe with that much character if their lives depended on it Agree that Cadillac styling is getting a bit generic, I don't think their designers would be game to do anything different.. Edited January 15, 2013 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Agree that Cadillac styling is getting a bit generic, I don't think their designers would be game to do anything different.. I don't think it's the designers... Max Wolff wrapped up the XTS then came and started making huge improvements at Lincoln. Maximum Bob's "brand checklist" still seems to be very much in effect for all of GM's designs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I don't think it's the designers... Max Wolff wrapped up the XTS then came and started making huge improvements at Lincoln. Maximum Bob's "brand checklist" still seems to be very much in effect for all of GM's designs. Hence my opinion and probably why Wolff said that he felt Cadillac's face was becoming too generic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Interesting that while based on Volt architecture, it has been turned into a two door coupe....they still do that in Detroit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Ford couldn't design a coupe with that much character if their lives depended on it Yeah, the Mustang has no character at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 WTF a Coupe? I can see this thing selling less then the Volt does...seriously who the hell buys a Hybrid coupe? I see this flopping big time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 WTF a Coupe? I can see this thing selling less then the Volt does...seriously who the hell buys a Hybrid coupe? I see this flopping big time... But the Honda CRZ has been such a rousing success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 An expensive hybrid coupe at that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHV 16V Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 While none of us can speak on the pending success/failure with any certainty, I will say this is a very good-looking vehicle. If I were shopping for a vehicle in this category, this would be it, hands down! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92LX302 Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 What do we know? It might become Hollywood's next poser car. Hey, their Escalade ain't politically relevant now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 While none of us can speak on the pending success/failure with any certainty, I will say this is a very good-looking vehicle. If I were shopping for a vehicle in this category, this would be it, hands down! What "category" is that though? Luxury hybrid coupes that perform worse than other luxury coupes in everything except fuel economy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 15, 2013 Author Share Posted January 15, 2013 Ford couldn't design a coupe with that much character if their lives depended on itAgree that Cadillac styling is getting a bit generic, I don't think their designers would be game to do anything different.. First, I really don't think it has that much character - but maybe I'm biased given I'm tired of seeing the same design for the past decade+ and wrote this vehicle off back when it was a concept whenever that was a few years ago. And since we've see Ford try to make a coupe recently (ignoring that hideous thing they call a Mustang.....yeah they don't know what they're doing when it comes to coupes)?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHV 16V Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 (edited) What "category" is that though? Luxury hybrid coupes that perform worse than other luxury coupes in everything except fuel economy? Luxury hybrids overall period. Coupes, sedans, etc... Edited January 15, 2013 by OHV 16V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Luxury hybrids overall period. Coupes, sedans, etc... But someone looking at, say, a Lexus RX400h isn't going to be at all interested in the ELR. It's not like the hybrid gurus at Toyota have seen success in their smaller luxury hybrids at all. The HS has already been cancelled and the CT isn't exactly flying off showroom floors either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHV 16V Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 But someone looking at, say, a Lexus RX400h isn't going to be at all interested in the ELR. It's not like the hybrid gurus at Toyota have seen success in their smaller luxury hybrids at all. The HS has already been cancelled and the CT isn't exactly flying off showroom floors either. I agree with what you're saying, your logic is sound, but I was speaking in personal terms bud. Read how I wrote that. In this particular instance, I lopped all luxury hybrids into one category, that "category" being a very generalized one: Luxury hybrids. The reason I did is because for me (personally), if I were to shop for something like a luxury hybrid, (no chance in hell by the way, not my thing at all), I have no reason to consider things like cargo space, doors, etc., I only need to worry about if I like it or not. So, I would take the ELR, based on the fact that 1. I like the styling a lot. 2. It's a coupe(!), a MAJOR plus for me. See what I meant? I wasn't insisting that there was some "class" of luxury hybrid coupes out there. In fact, I give Caddy even more credit for going this route, because no one else has dared to produce a luxury hybrid coupe, which adds a lot of style to the hybrid genre overall, in my opinion. We've all discussed at length how, in a lot of cases, these cars are purchased for the image they project sometimes as much as for their actual fuel savings, so why not do something that spices up the image like a two-door? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 because no one else has dared to produce a luxury hybrid coupe, so why not do something that spices up the image like a two-door? I think we'll find out there's a reason nobody else has done this. Hybrids are a relatively difficult sell as it is compared to their gas-running counterparts. Combine it with a body style that is also a difficult sell and you likely aren't going to get a whole lot out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 15, 2013 Author Share Posted January 15, 2013 What "category" is that though? Luxury hybrid coupes that perform worse than other luxury coupes in everything except fuel economy? But someone looking at, say, a Lexus RX400h isn't going to be at all interested in the ELR. It's not like the hybrid gurus at Toyota have seen success in their smaller luxury hybrids at all. The HS has already been cancelled and the CT isn't exactly flying off showroom floors either. I think we'll find out there's a reason nobody else has done this. Hybrids are a relatively difficult sell as it is compared to their gas-running counterparts. Combine it with a body style that is also a difficult sell and you likely aren't going to get a whole lot out of it. I'm with you on this one, Nick. Aside from the fact that I don't like the design, buyers will not be buying it for performance. As you also said, you can't lump all hybrid buyers together for the exact reason you mentioned - sure some may say "I want a hybrid" and look at just hybrids, but most probably look at the type of vehicle they want or need and then consider a hybrid model if offered in the style they like (aside from Prius people I'd assume it's more like that). I agree - I just don't see it selling well - yeah you'll have some folks lining up to buy it because they want to have their "sporty" car that's green, but I think the market (at least at this point in time) is limited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havelock Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 It looks good but I also keep thinking it is a 10 year old Celica with the generic Caddy front end grafted on to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHV 16V Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I'm with you on this one, Nick. Aside from the fact that I don't like the design, buyers will not be buying it for performance. As you also said, you can't lump all hybrid buyers together for the exact reason you mentioned - sure some may say "I want a hybrid" and look at just hybrids, but most probably look at the type of vehicle they want or need and then consider a hybrid model if offered in the style they like (aside from Prius people I'd assume it's more like that). I never said anything to that effect either. I never said anyone would buy it for it's performance, cuz a hybrid would be the last thing you'd buy for that. I never lumped all hybrid buyers together, again, it was for my personal tastes, which as I alluded to are unique circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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