silvrsvt Posted May 29, 2013 Author Share Posted May 29, 2013 I believe MSP did their entire order with Chevrolet this year, since the Caprices have the olive/black paint jobs. Limited orders in the past were black only (i.e. the Tahoes, Chargers). I've seen a couple running around St. Mary's County. Guess MSP still has a bad taste in their mouth from when they tried the FWD Tauruses back in the early 90s. I noticed those didn't stay in the fleet very long. I find that hard to believe because about 2 months ago I saw quite a few unmarked Police Interceptors and a few marked up PI's all of a sudden...I live 5 minutes from the MSP Barracks in my area. I've only seen one Caprice so far for the MSP. The Cecil Co Sheriff car has been around since late last year I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hwyman3 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 I find that hard to believe because about 2 months ago I saw quite a few unmarked Police Interceptors and a few marked up PI's all of a sudden...I live 5 minutes from the MSP Barracks in my area. I've only seen one Caprice so far for the MSP. The Cecil Co Sheriff car has been around since late last year I believe. I know on the southern end of the state, the only PIs I've seen have been Charles County and town of La Plata. The only Olive/Black MSP vehicles we've seen down this way have been the old CVPIs and the new Caprices. I have seen marked/unmarked Tahoes, but the marked ones are all black, no olive anywhere, just like the Chargers that MSP tried, and didn't like too well. From what I heard, most of the Chargers were reassigned to the aviation division. Of course, with some of the old fleet in MSP, we still have a CVPI down here with chrome grill and the old rotator lights, not the newer LED light bars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 (edited) Well, it's looking even more convincingly that Ford has effectively replaced the CVPI and BOF Explorer PI in the market but the flood of last minute CVPI orders means that the market will slowly transition. A great plan from Ford as it gave customers what they want along with time to watch and take up the new PI and PI Ute while still staying Ford customers. It really gave Chevrolet and Dodge nothing to work with. ...Mind you if GM ever grows a brain and ditches Caprice and uses the '14 Impala as a basis for a new PI then things could change. But ius that really going to happen, an Impala PI with AWd and TT V6????? Edited May 31, 2013 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 an Impala PI with AWd and TT V6????? Um, maybe they could call it a Pontiac? You know, up-scale, but not a Buick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Um, maybe they could call it a Pontiac? You know, up-scale, but not a Buick? Why would a police vehicle need to be upscale? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Well, it's looking even more convincingly that Ford has effectively replaced the CVPI and BOF Explorer PIin the market but the flood of last minute CVPI orders means that the market will slowly transition. A great plan from Ford as it gave customers what they want along with time to watch and take up the new PI and PI Ute while still staying Ford customers. It really gave Chevrolet and Dodge nothing to work with. ...Mind you if GM ever grows a brain and ditches Caprice and uses the '14 Impala as a basis for a new PI then things could change. But ius that really going to happen, an Impala PI with AWd and TT V6????? While the new PIs have good sales its nowhere near what the C/V alone did (4000+ on a bad month). As for the false assumption of Dodge and Chevy having nothing for the police/emergency/fleet market, since GM and Chrysler don't breakdown police/fleet figures (well the Caprice is a bit of exception) Tahoe, Charger , Durango and Impala have seen increased sales. The old Impala will continue as a "classic" model for 2-3 more years so no need for an expensive Ep-ll fleet/police car and from what I here GM will replace "fleetpla" with a US/Canada built Caprice based vehicle, plus with the SS project Caprice is staying put for now. Since Ford "can't do no wrong" how come the PI Taurus isn't offered as a taxi / general fleet car with alternative fuel options (like that "bad ol" fleetplaa) instead of having several completely different models, hope the next Taurus address this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 While the new PIs have good sales its nowhere near what the C/V alone did (4000+ on a bad month). As for the false assumption of Dodge and Chevy having nothing for the police/emergency/fleet market, since GM and Chrysler don't breakdown police/fleet figures (well the Caprice is a bit of exception) Tahoe, Charger , Durango and Impala have seen increased sales. Let's not forget that the last few years of the CV were either mostly fleet or (in the last 2 or so years) ALL fleet. Apples and baseballs. The old Impala will continue as a "classic" model for 2-3 more years so no need for an expensive Ep-ll fleet/police car and from what I here GM will replace "fleetpla" with a US/Canada built Caprice based vehicle, plus with the SS project Caprice is staying put for now. Since Ford "can't do no wrong" how come the PI Taurus isn't offered as a taxi / general fleet car with alternative fuel options (like that "bad ol" fleetplaa) instead of having several completely different models, hope the next Taurus address this issue. Because Ford doesn't want the Taurus to be associated with being primarily a fleet queen like the CV was and like the old Impala still is. Retail model resale and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Let's not forget that the last few years of the CV were either mostly fleet or (in the last 2 or so years) ALL fleet. Apples and baseballs. Because Ford doesn't want the Taurus to be associated with being primarily a fleet queen like the CV was and like the old Impala still is. Retail model resale and all that. Yes the C/V still push that many cars out beside fleet only, do that makes it a bad car?. The C/V production didn't lineup with what Ford's production plans and lack of investment killed it that's all. The sedan pi is a discontented Taurus but that isn't stopping people from buying a regular Taurus. The advantage of having a Taurus/Explorer based PI is when the Taurus gets a new redesign the PIs gets redesign also, that's something the C/V never had. Ford can take a TPI drop in the upcoming N/A D 2.7, ( eb 2.0 is too costly/possible turbo issues and 3.5/3.7 is too much for cab and businessmen)put it in the car , alternative fuel and engine options, there you go. Or/and give it a new name for the entire police/fleet market so Taurus won't have hurt resale (Custom, LTD?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Ford would probably rather sell a Transit Connect Taxi. Do you see many new sedan taxis? In Chicago the panther close to being gone. Most new taxis seem to be "boxes" - MPVs/SUVs. I see a fare number of VPGs (RIP), xBs, Transit Connects, Escapes. One company seems to have standardized on the C-MAX - I see a ton of them. The most common I'd say now is the Prius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 (edited) Ford would probably rather sell a Transit Connect Taxi. Do you see many new sedan taxis? In Chicago the panther close to being gone. Most new taxis seem to be "boxes" - MPVs/SUVs. I see a fare number of VPGs (RIP), xBs, Transit Connects, Escapes. One company seems to have standardized on the C-MAX - I see a ton of them. The most common I'd say now is the Prius.I believe because the C/V was the last to offer a genuine taxi package I bet if another true taxi package is offered on a model cabbies will go for it. Many of these "box" hybrid things isn't built to take that punishment and ware away quickly and real SUVs inheritly take abuse but good luck with fuel mileage. On that note too bad VPG didn't get a real shot like NYC instead of Japan inc. getting a billion dollar contract (and it just got the d37 as the standard engine). Edit; I seen many new 11-13 Impala, Fusions, Taurus and Chargers used as cabs. Edited June 2, 2013 by Fgts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 . Or/and give it a new name for the entire police/fleet market so Taurus won't have hurt resale (Custom, LTD?). 500?? Not spelled out "Five Hundred".... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 (edited) I can't remember the last time I saw a wImpala taxi. I've seen a handful of pre-13 Fusions, a couple Pre-2010 Taurus, but honestly don't think I've ever seen a Charger. The Transit Connect offers a taxi package. (I'm not positive the current one does - though I see TC Taxis, but I know the new one does). http://www.ford.com/crossovers/transitconnect-wagon/buzz/ http://rumors.automobilemag.com/2014-ford-transit-connect-comes-in-two-wheelbases-optional-taxi-prep-package-191669.html#axzz2V4hMHfJZ 500?? Not spelled out "Five Hundred".... Edited June 2, 2013 by sullynd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 500?? Not spelled out "Five Hundred".... Ok Ford 500, comes standard with 2.7 power, from taxi to a EB 3.5 interceptor or a n/a 3.5 no frills business sedan with a look along the lines of the current interceptor. Taurus can continue on as standard 3.5 plus 2.0/3.5 EB and the latest MFT stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 The offer the EB 2.0 as a fleet option on the MkTowncar, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Yes the C/V still push that many cars out beside fleet only, do that makes it a bad car?. The C/V production didn't lineup with what Ford's production plans and lack of investment killed it that's all. The sedan pi is a discontented Taurus but that isn't stopping people from buying a regular Taurus. The advantage of having a Taurus/Explorer based PI is when the Taurus gets a new redesign the PIs gets redesign also, that's something the C/V never had. Not a bad car, but even entering its third and last generation, it was already woefully outdated. Also, the PI is a "discontented" Taurus...? I guess if I were a *de-contented* car, I'd be "discontented" too. Ford can take a TPI drop in the upcoming N/A D 2.7, ( eb 2.0 is too costly/possible turbo issues and 3.5/3.7 is too much for cab and businessmen)put it in the car , alternative fuel and engine options, there you go. Or/and give it a new name for the entire police/fleet market so Taurus won't have hurt resale (Custom, LTD?). They had a rather torquey V8 before... but now a 3.5L V6 is too much? To what else you're saying though... I don't know if this has been discussed, but there remains a possibility that when the next Taurus bows on CD4, the PI could still remain on the D3 platform for as long as Ford keeps that platform running. (Someone feel free to correct me if this is in fact not possible.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 OK...was at the New York State Fair....saw my first Ford PI Troop car....for Chevrolet and Dodge, it is all over but the crying....next to it was a Caprice PPV and a Charger PP.....placard on both the Chevy and Dodge read to the effect that NYS bought 10 for testing as a possible replacement to the Crown Victoria PI...placard on the Ford PI went into detail of the specs of the car and from what I was told....Ford is the way they are going from this point forward.... Here is a cool test UI in NYS Police "stealth" layout....interesting piece for sure.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 South Dakota seems to have gone with the PIU for troopers. They may continue to buy Chargers instead of PIs as well, but it would seem odd to buy the PIU & Chargers instead of getting the mechanically similar PI & PIU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 BTW: This is kind of cool: http://www.ford.com/fordpoliceinterceptor/interceptorsonduty/ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 Now that Ecoboost PI Ute is available, what's the chance that more PI sedans will be replaced by Ford's PI Ute.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosetang Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 Now that Ecoboost PI Ute is available, what's the chance that more PI sedans will be replaced by Ford's PI Ute.... Well anyone who just bought PI sedans probably won't replace them that quickly. But departments which were on the fence before won't be now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 Well anyone who just bought PI sedans probably won't replace them that quickly. But departments which were on the fence before won't be now Thanks, this is a real transitional period where PDs bought up big on CVPI prior to its ending, then toe in the water with the new PI and PI Ute but Ford would be pleased with the response to the new vehicles, the Ute in particular. Maybe this is a case of the PDs not know what a new product will be like until they have the units in day to day grind seeing all the little quirks and advantages, I have feeling the Ute's greater versatility is making it a winner.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 BTW: This is kind of cool: http://www.ford.com/fordpoliceinterceptor/interceptorsonduty/ For sure-takes me back to the early days of the Louiesville when Ford ran some adds with all the major fleet logos that had purchased new Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 My home town just purchaced some Ford PI sedans after their flirtation with Chargers...same complaint...always in the shop for repairs...they also have a few of the UI's and one pre-UI because is prominently says "Explorer" on the lift gate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 New Supervisors' and K-9 PIUs for the Pittsburgh Police. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScapeTom Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Silverado? Heck. I've seen one or two unmarked Dodge Grand Caravans. I don't think I could ever pull over for a minivan, just out of principle. I have to agree - if a Caravan was chasing me, I might consider evading! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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