Mark B. Morrow Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 (edited) http://www.autoblog.com/2013/03/07/ford-mustang-to-get-four-cylinder-in-europe-but-not-us/ According to the report, Ford will put a version of its EcoBoost turbocharged four-cylinder into the engine bay of the Mustang. The engine would be enlarged from its current 2.0 liters to 2.3 liters, taking horsepower from 252 to around 300. The well-known 5.0 V8 engine will also be available in Europe. Edited March 7, 2013 by Mark B. Morrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 (edited) European car culture will continue to dismiss the Mustang, sniff at it, and hold it to standards which their domestically produced vehicles also cannot meet. Edited March 7, 2013 by RichardJensen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 European car culture will continue to dismiss the Mustang, sniff at it, and hold it to standards which their domestically produced vehicles also cannot meet. you are wrong, And don't have a clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 (edited) Why would Ford enlarge the current 2.0 to 2.3 when the new variable architecture 2.3 Ecoboost will be available beyond 2014. The main aim of the new architecture is increased fuel efficiency, not outright progressive increases in power and torque. People in the rest of the world who buy Mustangs do so because they want the V8, practically none of the V6 are seen in other markets and I doubt the 2.3 turbo will make much of a slpash in Europe in any case, it's the answer to a question that the market isn't asking. Edited March 8, 2013 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 you are wrong, And don't have a clue. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4977ABZWxe0 Yeah. I'm wrong about EU prejudices against American cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 you are wrong, And don't have a clue. Most of those opinions are based on Europeans having access to their own sports cars, the Americans generally have big thirsty (to them ) engines so old prejudices live on. But for those that want them, the Mustang and Camaro as V8s are desirable, they are a smallish niche of buyers but usually prepared to pay a good price. I don't think an I-4 Turbo Mustang is a good Idea in Europe, I could be wrong but if you were to restyle it and call it CAPRI then I take back everything I just said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Oh, I think an I-4 turbo Mustang will do just fine in Europe--among those who already have a positive opinion of the Mustang. It will hardly 'expand' the appeal of a product about which European enthusiasts have already made up their minds both for and against. But I do agree that if it was named Capri, was built in Europe, and was at least rumored to have been developed by Europeans, it would do substantially better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 (edited) Oh, I think an I-4 turbo Mustang will do just fine in Europe--among those who already have a positive opinion of the Mustang. It will hardly 'expand' the appeal of a product about which European enthusiasts have already made up their minds both for and against. But I do agree that if it was named Capri, was built in Europe, and was at least rumored to have been developed by Europeans, it would do substantially better. That's why the CD4 Coupe was started but sadly cancelled at the moment, too much turmoil in Europe for small niche products.. If Ford is doing an EB I-4 Mustang for North America, who really cares about Europe and ROW sales...... Edited March 8, 2013 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 (edited) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4977ABZWxe0 Yeah. I'm wrong about EU prejudices against American cars. You think the next mustang with it's European styling, and all new IRS, brings nothing new to the table? Ford needs to sell ~30,000 mustangs in the EU to make it worthwhile, i don;t think it will be problem. Edited March 8, 2013 by Biker16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 That's why the CD4 Coupe was started but sadly cancelled at the moment, too much turmoil in Europe for small niche products..If Ford is doing an EB I-4 Mustang for North America, who really cares about Europe and ROW sales...... I thought it was the Focus coupe not a CD4 coupe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 You think the next mustang with it's European styling I have the feeling the next gen Mustang's styling will still be decidedly American. If it's not, then it has lost part of what makes it a Mustang in the first place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92merc Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 On one of the recent British Top Gear's, they had their usual "News" section. The information they were given was that there would be no V8 Mustang offered in Europe. Only a 2.0 liter Ecoboost. They basically declared it "rubbish" and don't even bother selling it there. If the first story is correct, then Top Gear has their info wrong on two points. EB is supposed to be a 2.3, and there will be a V8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 (edited) You think the next mustang with it's European styling, and all new IRS, brings nothing new to the table? Ford needs to sell ~30,000 mustangs in the EU to make it worthwhile, i don;t think it will be problem. - No. It's still a Mustang and it will still be "compromised" to meet a price point. - Citation needed. I find laughable the idea that Ford would bend over backward for incremental volume in a collapsing market that is notorious for its jingoist tendencies (most popular retail brand in the US? Toyota--so please let's not pretend the US is as jingoistic as France, Germany or Italy when it comes to cars). Edited March 8, 2013 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 From Edmunds. 2.3L, 300 HP: http://www.edmunds.com/car-news/2015-ford-mustang-to-get-four-cylinder-engine-but-for-europe-only.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 They have the nerve to describe that bullet list of rumors "Just the facts"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92merc Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Makes no sense to build a 2.3EB that is for "Europe only" and only in the Mustang. Flies in the face of everything "One Ford". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Makes no sense to build a 2.3EB that is for "Europe only" and only in the Mustang. Flies in the face of everything "One Ford". 2.3 EB is approved for Focus RS and probably a few other cars we don't yet know about at the moment. One Ford doesn't preclude different drivetrain packages for different regions. We don't get diesel Focus in the US and Europeans won't get 3.5 Ecoboost in their Transit van. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 I doubt very much that this 2.3L I-4 will be EU-spec only. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 I doubt very much that this 2.3L I-4 will be EU-spec only. agreed, someones jumped the gun here...wrong assumption IMO...and 350hp is poss from that engine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZanatWork Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Okay...here's the two main points I see in the "why not us?" debate:1. The US doesn't tax for engine displacement, while various European countries (UK included) do so.2. That being the case, if the turbo 4 doesn't get much better real-world performance than a V6...and let's face it, the test results tend to crush many high mpg claims...there'd be no real gain in offering it here. As much as I was a fan of the SVO and I do think about what a lighter, 350 hp Mustang would be like compared to the heavier V8 sibling...I don't know how much market there would be without substantial mileage gains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 if the turbo 4 doesn't get much better real-world performance than a V6...and let's face it, the test results tend to crush many high mpg claims...there'd be no real gain in offering it here. C-A-F-E 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 (edited) C-A-F-E and weight......weight distribution....lots of variables. not just MPG's Edited March 8, 2013 by Deanh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 "Real-world performance" isn't used to evaluate CAFE compliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 (edited) The reason why we don't see a V6 in Fusion is because the Ecoboost 2.0 gives better economy, That has been demonstrated across several vehicles now and we should expect similar results with Mustang This undertow of opinion that the EPA numbers are questionable is all stemming from one source, CR. I find it amusing that their secretive test cycles are held up as a gold standard to challenge EPA fuel economy claims. That to me is pants on backwards thinking. Edited March 8, 2013 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevys Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 (edited) According to this the USA gets the turbo 4. http://www.roadandtrack.com/future-cars/future-car-news/news-2015-mustang-gets-ecoboost-four-in-us-market?src=spr_FBPAGE&spr_id=1459_7246696 Now, if this is true how does this fit into the Mustang line? Say 125 hp per liter and you have about 288 horse power. How do you position this engine in the Mustang with the 3.7 still around? By the way, I thought R and T is full of *&^^% about their theories about placement. I cant see this engine being slotted above the 3.7. What am I missing? Edited March 9, 2013 by chevys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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