7Mary3 Posted November 12 Share Posted November 12 https://fordauthority.com/2024/11/some-ford-super-duty-diesels-cant-be-sold-in-california/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 4 hours ago, 7Mary3 said: https://fordauthority.com/2024/11/some-ford-super-duty-diesels-cant-be-sold-in-california/ If there is any silver lining to this I believe Ford with F-600, 650 and 750 has a competitive edge with their gas powered versions. Now if they would just add air brakes to the 650 and 750 that would increase their competitiveness. Can't understand why this hasn't been done years ago. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamweasel Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 11 hours ago, Bob Rosadini said: If there is any silver lining to this I believe Ford with F-600, 650 and 750 has a competitive edge with their gas powered versions. Now if they would just add air brakes to the 650 and 750 that would increase their competitiveness. Can't understand why this hasn't been done years ago. That competitive advantage is going to be gone soon, though. The gasoline Cummins (their next 7-liter engine program) is on the way and will be here in about a year. I believe the plan is for Freightliner to have it in 26CY but not sure about the other OEM's... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 1 hour ago, iamweasel said: That competitive advantage is going to be gone soon, though. The gasoline Cummins (their next 7-liter engine program) is on the way and will be here in about a year. I believe the plan is for Freightliner to have it in 26CY but not sure about the other OEM's... You'd think Freightliner et al would just buy the Ford V8 and be done with it. Cummins gas motor will be plying off the rep of their diesel motors, the Ford Godzilla is proven. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 (edited) 3 hours ago, twintornados said: .........the Ford Godzilla is proven. What, to eat camshafts and lifters? Doubt Freightliner would consider the 7.3L, it would likely have to be used a Ford transmission, either the 6R140 or 10R140. Nor do I see Ford wanting to sell the engine to Freightliner, unless maybe they dropped the 650 and 750. Freightlner already uses the GM L8T with a 2000 series Allison in the FCCC chassis models. Some of you may remember back in the mid-90's Freightliner offered both the 5.9L V-8 and 8L V-10 out of the Rams in the 'Business Class' medium duty trucks. Not many were built, the Chrysler automatic the gas engine came with didn't hold up. I don't know what is going on with the Cummins 'Octane' gasoline 6.7L. It's still on the Cummins website like it's available, but I know of no OEM that offers it. I have heard sketchy rumors there were some development issues, program was dropped, engineers reassigned, program was revived, still had issues, etc... No idea if there is any truth to it. So now the 'Octane' is part of the 7L program? First I have heard of that, but it makes sense. Edited November 13 by 7Mary3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamweasel Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 9 minutes ago, 7Mary3 said: What, to eat camshafts and lifters? Doubt Freightliner would consider the 7.3L, it would likely have to be used a Ford transmission, either the 6R140 or 10R140. Nor do I see Ford wanting to sell the engine to Freightliner, unless maybe they dropped the 650 and 750. Freightlner already uses the GM L8T with a 2000 series Allison in the FCCC chassis models. Some of you may remember back in the early 90's Freightliner offered both the 5.9L V-8 and 8L V-10 out of the Rams in the 'Business Class' medium duty trucks. Not many were built, the Chrysler automatic the gas engine came with didn't hold up. I don't know what is going on with the Cummins 'Octane' gasoline 6.7L. It's still on the Cummins website like it's available, but I know of no OEM that offers it. I have heard sketchy rumors there were some development issues, program was dropped, engineers reassigned, program was revived, still had issues, etc... No idea if there is any truth to it. So now the 'Octane' is part of the 7L program? First I have heard of that, but it makes sense. Sorry when I said "7L" I was referring to the 6.7L. We always leave out the decimal when talking engine sizes and I rounded up. LOL....(Since the B6.7 is the only engine we sell that actually has a decimal point in its name unlike L9, X12, X15, etc.) As far as I know it will be available for Freightliner dealers beginning January 26CY. It's been a few months since we were told that, though and I haven't heard of any updates to that (good or bad) since then. So I guess we'll see. It will be August 2025 before we get our official 26CY volume allocation and component availability information and that is when we'd know for sure on this topic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 I heard talk of a new 7.2L Cummins, I was thinking maybe the 'Octane' would be based on that engine if the rumors are true. CARB27 and EPA27 are going to make things very interesting and it looks like there may be a return to gasoline in the medium duty world. GM was rumored to be working on an 8L gas engine for Navistar, I wonder what the status of that program is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamweasel Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 4 hours ago, 7Mary3 said: I heard talk of a new 7.2L Cummins, I was thinking maybe the 'Octane' would be based on that engine if the rumors are true. CARB27 and EPA27 are going to make things very interesting and it looks like there may be a return to gasoline in the medium duty world. GM was rumored to be working on an 8L gas engine for Navistar, I wonder what the status of that program is. The B7.2 is supposed to start in 27CY. That engine will be diesel only, though, and they will still offer the 6.7 Octane in 2027CY and going forward as well. (Until at least 29CY when their chart ended....LOL.) In addition, there will not be a B6.7N (natural gas) in 27CY but there is supposed to be a B6.7 Propane instead. That being said, the natural gas/propane programs are always more at risk for changes/cancellations so we'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick73 Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 7 hours ago, 7Mary3 said: I don't know what is going on with the Cummins 'Octane' gasoline 6.7L. It's still on the Cummins website like it's available, but I know of no OEM that offers it. It will be interesting to see how the Cummins Octane engine performs in fuel economy when powering larger trucks because it relies on turbo boost for rated power and torque. In the past, turbo gas engines have not been particularly fuel efficient under heavy loads like they will see in large and heavy trucks. Granted, initial Cummins specs suggest turbo boost must be relatively limited compared to common ICE vehicles similar to EcoBoost. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 2 hours ago, iamweasel said: The B7.2 is supposed to start in 27CY. That engine will be diesel only, though, and they will still offer the 6.7 Octane in 2027CY and going forward as well. (Until at least 29CY when their chart ended....LOL.) In addition, there will not be a B6.7N (natural gas) in 27CY but there is supposed to be a B6.7 Propane instead. That being said, the natural gas/propane programs are always more at risk for changes/cancellations so we'll see. Yes, I am wondering about the L9N going forward. Looks like it will eventually get replaced by a CNG version of the X10. I was hearing Freightliner was to eventually manufacture their own Cummins derived engines, is that still the plan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 On 11/13/2024 at 10:57 AM, twintornados said: You'd think Freightliner et al would just buy the Ford V8 and be done with it. Cummins gas motor will be plying off the rep of their diesel motors, the Ford Godzilla is proven. I doubt TT ford would sell it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamweasel Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 13 hours ago, 7Mary3 said: Yes, I am wondering about the L9N going forward. Looks like it will eventually get replaced by a CNG version of the X10. I was hearing Freightliner was to eventually manufacture their own Cummins derived engines, is that still the plan? There was talk about Detroit leasing out what will be the former DD5/DD8 assembly area in Redford to Cummins so they could produce some engines there. (A way of adding capacity for Cummins engines without them having to do it at their own plants.) The Detroit facility is massive and they build engines, transmissions and axles all under the same roof. Don't think they would try to brand them as Detroits, though. They would just produce them as Cummins in Detroit's building. We wouldn't go the way of PACCAR who is always tricking customers into thinking they made their own components that were really built by someone else. (ie. PX engines...) Just don't know if that's still the plan or not. Would be an interesting arrangement to have Cummins engines rolling down a line 50 feet away from DD13/15/16's. LOL... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 It's an interesting arrangement to have Chevy Silverado medium duty trucks rolling down the same assembly line as International MV's too! But that's the world we live in. I suspect 7.3L 650/750's and 6.6L Isuzu/Chevy LCF's will have a good 2025 in CARB states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 2026 F-650? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick73 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 2 hours ago, 7Mary3 said: 2026 F-650? Not likely if serious about it having 650 HP. 😀 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lfeg Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 Looks like the F600 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick73 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 (edited) Looks like a custom truck to me, not production. Later in video (~2:20) it shows SRW pickup variant that seems out of context, unless I missed something. Edited November 20 by Rick73 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying68 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 It is fake AI generated BS. You can tell by the messing up of the trademarks and details on the words and stampings. Also Ford medium duties don't have pickup beds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 18 hours ago, Flying68 said: It is fake AI generated BS. You can tell by the messing up of the trademarks and details on the words and stampings. Also Ford medium duties don't have pickup beds. For sure BS. They should at least have called their "work" an F-600. This "rendition" fits right in with some of the tractor images that show up on You Tube-or at least the ones that pop up on my screen. I suppose if you log in to any farming/tractor sites you get these fakes. Actually they are well done, but when you see Ford's latest monster AWD that belongs on huge midwest farm, you know it is all fake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick73 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 1 hour ago, Bob Rosadini said: Actually they are well done, but when you see Ford's latest monster AWD that belongs on huge midwest farm, you know it is all fake. This one is real based on RWD F-650. In video they claim bed is adapted from F-350/F-450 IIRC. Looks cool though functionally impractical unless purpose is to be noticed. You’d think it would at least be 4X4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 10 hours ago, Rick73 said: This one is real based on RWD F-650. In video they claim bed is adapted from F-350/F-450 IIRC. Looks cool though functionally impractical unless purpose is to be noticed. You’d think it would at least be 4X4. Hah amazing how people with too much money like to throw it away- Like the a-hole today that paid 6 mil for the banana taped to canvas. And the guy says he is going to eat the banana🤔 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisgb Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 12 hours ago, Bob Rosadini said: Hah amazing how people with too much money like to throw it away- Like the a-hole today that paid 6 mil for the banana taped to canvas. And the guy says he is going to eat the banana🤔 Probably sell the cardboard for $7M at the next Sotheby's gala. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 3 hours ago, Chrisgb said: Probably sell the cardboard for $7M at the next Sotheby's gala. Of course-why didn't I think of that-or Jaguar might have an interest to somehow incorporate it into their latest marketing effort which is making the Bud Light fiasco look reasonable. I saw some Jaguar marketing "executive" making a speech about their new ad "blitz" and he bragged they had .."15 separate DEI organizations"..🤔 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 1 hour ago, Bob Rosadini said: Of course-why didn't I think of that-or Jaguar might have an interest to somehow incorporate it into their latest marketing effort which is making the Bud Light fiasco look reasonable. I saw some Jaguar marketing "executive" making a speech about their new ad "blitz" and he bragged they had .."15 separate DEI organizations"..🤔 Welp...it isn't just a USA thing..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe771476 Posted November 23 Author Share Posted November 23 On 11/13/2024 at 1:37 PM, 7Mary3 said: What, to eat camshafts and lifters? Doubt Freightliner would consider the 7.3L, it would likely have to be used a Ford transmission, either the 6R140 or 10R140. Nor do I see Ford wanting to sell the engine to Freightliner, unless maybe they dropped the 650 and 750. Freightlner already uses the GM L8T with a 2000 series Allison in the FCCC chassis models. Some of you may remember back in the mid-90's Freightliner offered both the 5.9L V-8 and 8L V-10 out of the Rams in the 'Business Class' medium duty trucks. Not many were built, the Chrysler automatic the gas engine came with didn't hold up. I don't know what is going on with the Cummins 'Octane' gasoline 6.7L. It's still on the Cummins website like it's available, but I know of no OEM that offers it. I have heard sketchy rumors there were some development issues, program was dropped, engineers reassigned, program was revived, still had issues, etc... No idea if there is any truth to it. So now the 'Octane' is part of the 7L program? First I have heard of that, but it makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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