ANTAUS Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 http://www.autoblog.com/2013/11/26/ford-expects-big-suv-crossover-growth-globally/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 It will be very interesting to see how the Edge does in the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 (edited) Dunno, Kuga is around 8,000/mth so probably less than that and you'd hope that Edge didn't simply cut into S-Max sales either. Edited November 28, 2013 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Dunno, Kuga is around 8,000/mth so probably less than that and you'd hope that Edge didn't simply cut into S-Max sales either. Is S-Max AWD? Anyway, in the EU, the Edge is more likely to appeal to the market that buys Audi Q5/Q7 SUV/CUV vehicles and the like, rather than a kind of minivan, but with doors, like S-Max, IMHO. Just wait for the German tuners to get hold of an Edge Sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe3w Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 I thought Ford was going to concentrate on cars, not trucks and these big SUV behemoths. Looks like they are going for the big profits again and letting quality slip (recall #7 on the Escape). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 I thought Ford was going to concentrate on cars, not trucks and these big SUV behemoths. Looks like they are going for the big profits again and letting quality slip (recall #7 on the Escape). Since when is an Escape a "big SUV behemoth"? They have the most balanced vehicle portfolio they've ever had including a full line of cars. Shame on Ford for building vehicles that customers want to buy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe3w Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Shame on Ford for 7 recalls on the same vehicle! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 What does that have to do with which vehicles they're building? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 (edited) Is S-Max AWD? Anyway, in the EU, the Edge is more likely to appeal to the market that buys Audi Q5/Q7 SUV/CUV vehicles and the like, rather than a kind of minivan, but with doors, like S-Max, IMHO. Just wait for the German tuners to get hold of an Edge Sport. Ed, we'll see but I have this feeling that Ford brand is still seen as an outsider by the parochial market, I think that will limit actual sales more than any shortcomings of the product... Edited November 28, 2013 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKII Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 I thought Ford was going to concentrate on cars, not trucks and these big SUV behemoths. Looks like they are going for the big profits again and letting quality slip (recall #7 on the Escape). Ford is working on a balanced sales portfolio, where in their Euro market is out of balance. And being the utilities is the fastest growth segment in Europe, I'd say Ford's plan is spot on. The look of the Concept Edge looks good for the Euro market. I don't see the S-Max customer as an Edge customer at all. Maybe they would have both in the driveway as each vehicle has quite a different character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 It will be very interesting to see how the Edge does in the EU. Personally, I don't think it will sell all that well in EU. Too big. Too thirsty ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Personally, I don't think it will sell all that well in EU. Too big. Too thirsty ! How about the ecoboost engines? I'm sure that the next gen Edge will lose some weight too. Have to get rid of your NA centric way of thinking. Not to mention I believe that the Edge is supposed to get an oil burner too for non NA market too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Shouldn'nt be much worse than a Mondeo wagon and will likely use the same drivetrains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Personally, I don't think it will sell all that well in EU. Too big. Too thirsty ! Same size as a lot of German SUV/CUV's, with the same size thirsty engines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Same size as a lot of German SUV/CUV's, with the same size thirsty engines. ... if not smaller. Where's the Edge competitor to the ML63, the X5M, or the RS Q5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marginal Economist Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 I thought Ford was going to concentrate on cars, not trucks and these big SUV behemoths. Looks like they are going for the big profits again and letting quality slip (recall #7 on the Escape). Alan is on the same message everytime and has been for at least the last 5 years - full portfolio of cars, trucks, and utilities - small medium and large. I've heard him say this at least 15 times. July 31, 2013 - Alan: Oh, well, absolutely. Well, clearly, our plan around the world, Ford's plan is to offer our customers in every market segment around the world a complete family of vehicles, so small, and medium, and large; and cars, utilities, and trucks; all the way from the Fiesta all the way up, of course, to the popular F series January 15, 2008 - Arguably the finest truck, large-SUV company in the world, and the transformation now is to take that solid fundamental and compliment that with some more exciting fuel efficient, smaller vehicles, and provide a full family of cars, utilities and trucks for the traveling motorist. July 18, 2011 - We decided to have a complete family of vehicles worldwide available to the consumers: small, medium and large cars, utilities and trucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 How about the ecoboost engines? I'm sure that the next gen Edge will lose some weight too. Have to get rid of your NA centric way of thinking. Not to mention I believe that the Edge is supposed to get an oil burner too for non NA market too. Okay. I'll stay neutral until the EU spec version comes out. If it loses a significant amount of weight and gets fitted with a diesel, then it has a shot ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Alan is on the same message everytime and has been for at least the last 5 years - full portfolio of cars, trucks, and utilities - small medium and large. I've heard him say this at least 15 times. July 31, 2013 - January 15, 2008 - July 18, 2011 - Need to bring back "Family of Fine Cars" on the key blanks: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKII Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 (edited) Okay. I'll stay neutral until the EU spec version comes out. If it loses a significant amount of weight and gets fitted with a diesel, then it has a shot ! Seems to me thatEuro BMW, MB & VW vehicles in the Edge segment all offer 6 & 8 cylinder gasers and some offer diesel in 4 cylinder. For the Edge to compete it will need to offer some horses to play in the segment over here. Edited November 29, 2013 by MKII Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZanatWork Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 My understanding is that the Edge will have an updated Sport model, which should give it the power to play in the midsize CUV segment at a higher level. This, coupled with an expected weight loss, should allow the Edge to capitalize on its "sport cuv" image a bit more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gworl Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 In my oppinion the only chance for Ford to succeed in that segment in Europe is to offer competitive Diesel engines. If they won't offer a Diesel engine it will show to me that Ford is not willing to commit to "One Ford". For Ford to prosper in Europe means to have to sell vehicles in high-profit segments of the market, that includes SUVs like Edge, because Ford is being put under pressure by brands like BMW and Mercedes in that these brands startet to compete with Ford by offering smaller vehicles as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 In my oppinion the only chance for Ford to succeed in that segment in Europe is to offer competitive Diesel engines. If they won't offer a Diesel engine it will show to me that Ford is not willing to commit to "One Ford". For Ford to prosper in Europe means to have to sell vehicles in high-profit segments of the market, that includes SUVs like Edge, because Ford is being put under pressure by brands like BMW and Mercedes in that these brands startet to compete with Ford by offering smaller vehicles as well. Ford has plenty of competitive Diesel engines available in Europe (see Mondeo). Why would you think they wouldn't offer one in the Edge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gworl Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Ford has plenty of competitive Diesel engines available in Europe (see Mondeo). Why would you think they wouldn't offer one in the Edge? I am assuming that Ford won't build the Edge in Europe, where Ford would have easily access to Mondeo, S-Max and Galaxy Diesel engines. Do you think that Ford is going to "walk the extra mile" this time and ship Diesel engines all the way from England to the USA to put them in Edges destined for Europe? I would surely hope so, because that would mean that Ford is finally ready to introduce an American built car in Europe with the intention of creating a customer base for the car and offer it long term. For example Ford offered the first generations of the Explorer in Germany starting in 1993 and stopped selling it here in around 2000. Ford had plans to put a Diesel engine in the third generation Explorer for Europe, but instead decided to just stop selling the Explorer in Europe alltogether. In doing so Ford lost those customers to other brands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 It's a different Ford now. I haven't heard whether Ford will export the Edge from Oakville or build them in Europe but I think it's safe to say they'll do whatever it requires to be competitive even if it means shipping in diesel engines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 (edited) I am assuming that Ford won't build the Edge in Europe, where Ford would have easily access to Mondeo, S-Max and Galaxy Diesel engines. What makes you think that Edge won't be built on the new CD4 line in Spain for Europe and global markets? It's not set to launch there until 2017 which is just after the S-Max and Galaxy end at Genk and transfer to Spain The crash protection panels in the front of Euro CD4s are different enough to necessitate building them there, global export markets generally follow European design and crash testing rules so building Edge there makes sense. Edited November 30, 2013 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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