ANTAUS Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 http://www.autoblog.com/2014/06/19/2015-hyundai-sonata-eco-38-mpg-official/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKII Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 (edited) Another Dry Dual Clutch eh. Bad idea IMO, especially in a vehicle of this weight and size. Edited June 20, 2014 by MKII Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 (edited) Cost savings be damned, wet clutch is a must in DCT, even Getrag now realizes this. Excellent packaging from Hyundai, this may give Ford reason to review how it markets Fusion Edited June 20, 2014 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazerdude20 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Guess Hyundai hasn't learned from Getrag or Ford. Americans hate the feel and drivability of dry clutch DCT's. Hope this doesn't bite them in the a$$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 (edited) Add me to the "why dry clutch?" crowd. That quarter-mile per gallon can't be THAT precious, can it? EDIT: Where are you guys seeing that the transmission is dry-clutch? Edited June 22, 2014 by papilgee4evaeva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 EDIT: Where are you guys seeing that the transmission is dry-clutch? How's this? http://www.hyundaiproductinformation.com/vehicles/15_vehicles/15_sonata/sonata_key_features.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 How's this? http://www.hyundaiproductinformation.com/vehicles/15_vehicles/15_sonata/sonata_key_features.asp Works for me. So I stand by my first statement: Add me to the "why dry clutch?" crowd. That quarter-mile per gallon can't be THAT precious, can it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKII Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 On paper Dry dual clutch is very economical for the car companies to choose. Ask VW how their dry dual clutch economics are working out for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 I'm wondering if VW even sells a dry-clutch DSG here. Also, in researching that, I learned something. Even though they call theirs dry-clutch, it's relative. It still requires about 2 qt of fluid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKII Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I'm wondering if VW even sells a dry-clutch DSG here. Also, in researching that, I learned something. Even though they call theirs dry-clutch, it's relative. It still requires about 2 qt of fluid. VW's Dry Dual Clutch is known as DQ200, and has landed in North America in the Jetta Hybrid, and its has been recalled already "Campaign 34F6". http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/cs/jaxrs/download/doc/UCM447515/RCMN-13V568-9034.pdf Globally this gearbox is found in mk5 & mk6 Jetta, mk5 & 6 & 7 Golf, Touran, Polo, Passat, Audi A1, A3, Skoda Octavia, Skoda Superb, Seat Leon and more. The DQ250 6 speed is the wet dual clutch tranny in the Golf GTi and whatever else VW USA vehicles this tranny has been offered in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I'd like to see wet dual clutch trannies for performance vehicles. Too many compromises in the dry clutch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlloyd Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Which type of CVT is in the current model Altima vs the Accord? I test drove both back-to-back today; the Nissan at certain speeds felt like the gearing was shifting around constantly, whereas the Honda felt much smoother. (Both cars were decent, but I'm going with the 2.0 Fusion ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 Somehow i see "recall" or "unreliable" written on this Eco model. Too many things to go wrong with turbos and DCT, should had gone with a stop / sart, a special tuned n/a 2.0 and cvt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 Somehow i see "recall" or "unreliable" written on this Eco model. Too many things to go wrong with turbos and DCT, should had gone with a stop / sart, a special tuned n/a 2.0 and cvt. I think the "turbos cause problems" thing is completely outdated at this point. It's not new technology. I partly agree with you about the transmission, though only because it's a dry-clutch design. I wouldn't wish a CVT on anybody, however... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 The 3.5L EB has been out how long? Almost five years. Has anyone heard of any turbo failures or engine failures? I haven't. Not a single one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydro Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 The 3.5L EB has been out how long? Almost five years. Has anyone heard of any turbo failures or engine failures? I haven't. Not a single one. A turbo failure here and there and a few hiccups with plumbing on the F-150 forums, but nothing to say they are having problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 The 3.5L EB has been out how long? Almost five years. Has anyone heard of any turbo failures or engine failures? I haven't. Not a single one. Very isolated failures....I think even with cars that have been "chipped", I've seen maybe 1-2 engine failures on the net...and thats going back to 2010. The one I saw that did fail was running a methane kit and I'm willing to bet that failed and caused the failure, not the engine itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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