rmc523 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Perhaps Focus RS will be shown in Europe first then NA after. Just a guess. I think New York is an excellent place to introduce more Lincoln products then anything else IMHO. New York is great for the luxury market....just ask Cadillac 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Wouldn't it make more sense to have the Focus RS built on the next gen alloy platform due in 12-18 months time? or will it be a lass hurrah special in steel? RS has historically appeared as the last hurrah on most of the Ford Europe vehicle line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 GT, GT350, GT350R, Raptor, Focus RS, Focus ST, Fiesta St. That's 7. Figure the Fusion and Edge will have some sport model and another mustang variant are good guesses. Makes 10. Don't forget about the next gen SHO also. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 New York is great for the luxury market....just ask Cadillac Touche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Touche. Oh, I was being sarcastic because Caddy moved their headquarters there. You know, I just realized all the vehicles they unveiled today were the same blue color - It must be the color of Ford Performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Hugh, I will take your 2.3 Escape and raise you a 2.7 AWD ST Escape.......lol. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 @RMC...blue is how Chevy fans are now feeling..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 @RMC...blue is how Chevy fans are now feeling..... but...but...Chevy drives the motor city! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 drives the Motor city insane with questionable product releases....still as mis-managed as ever...do they even have any semi desirable core product?.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 drives the Motor city insane with questionable product releases....still as mis-managed as ever...do they even have any semi desirable core product?.... You know, I sat here trying to think of one, and started running through the list.....Malibu, no; Cruze, maybe; Equinox, meh - what else is there that I'm missing? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 Hugh, I will take your 2.3 Escape and raise you a 2.7 AWD ST Escape.......lol. Keep expectations within reach, you are not disappointed. However, I can get behind that ST idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) You know, I sat here trying to think of one, and started running through the list.....Malibu, no; Cruze, maybe; Equinox, meh - what else is there that I'm missing? Honestly, I don't have a hate for Malibu and Cruze, it needs work. I like the Impala actually and Equinox is not bad for the limited time I was in one. Yes I had to bathe afterward. Traverse? Man, I don't know where they are going with those. I guess Corvette is pretty consistant at being good. Camero? Always a good fight between it and Mustang. RMC: I get the joke I didn't have my ironic font on. Edited January 13, 2015 by Hugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Honestly, I don't have a hate for Malibu and Cruze, it needs work. I like the Impala actually and Equinox is not bad for the limited time I was in one. Yes I had to bathe afterward. Traverse? Man, I don't know where they are going with those. I guess Corvette is pretty consistant at being good. Camero? Always a good fight between it and Mustang. RMC: I get the joke I didn't have my ironic font on. Eh, I was trying to think of core products, though I suppose you could argue a "core" product is different for each brand...but compact and midsize sedans and crossovers are the heart of the market right now. And I suppose Malibu and Cruze aren't terrible, but I just think they're behind the competition (the Malibu more so than the Cruze). And the Equinox is just old at this point, not to mention it's "tweener" status. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 @RMC....amazing the difference in management between GM and Ford. Ford focused on the meat and potatoes, and strengthened the foundation of the company, GM on the other hand focused on low volume "niche" models...Volt, ELR, Vette, Camaro, hell, even the smaller Colorado qualifies....NOW Ford has such a strong base of self sustaining sales we get rewarded with new Raptors, GT350s, Gt...and yeah eventually an RS Focus...the thinking and execution between the two companies is almost polar opposites... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 It's because GM is too busy trying to build "_____ fighters" instead of focusing on their own brand identities. The only "fighters" I would personally call successful is the mustang fighting camaro and the corvette (viper fighter? I'm not really sure what is technically its competition) Yes, they have success selling other models but IMO they sent really winning any battles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 @ fuzzy...you just echoed my very point...their focus is on vehicles that do NOT sell in significant amounts ala Fusion....Ford was wise to focus on core first... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpvbs Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I'd have liked to see a white Raptor, with the blue GT350, and a red GT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 'MURICA!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Oh, I was being sarcastic because Caddy moved their headquarters there. You know, I just realized all the vehicles they unveiled today were the same blue color - It must be the color of Ford Performance. A modern take on Guardsman Blue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted January 14, 2015 Author Share Posted January 14, 2015 @ fuzzy...you just echoed my very point...their focus is on vehicles that do NOT sell in significant amounts ala Fusion....Ford was wise to focus on core first... And keep that laser focus going...pew pew 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHV 16V Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 (edited) ...You know, I just realized all the vehicles they unveiled today were the same blue color - It must be the color of Ford Performance. The color is called "Liquid Blue," and you are correct in that it is indeed the official color of Ford Performance. Ford was quick to point out that the color is strictly for Ford Performance to show off their vehicles, and there are absolutely no plans now or in the future to offer it on any production vehicle. This is due not only to that reason but also the fact that it's actually a very elaborate paint process to achieve the color. Edited January 14, 2015 by OHV 16V 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted January 14, 2015 Author Share Posted January 14, 2015 I was hoping for "Blue Steel". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I was hoping for "Blue Steel". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 (edited) It's because GM is too busy trying to build "_____ fighters" instead of focusing on their own brand identities. The only "fighters" I would personally call successful is the mustang fighting camaro and the corvette (viper fighter? I'm not really sure what is technically its competition) Yes, they have success selling other models but IMO they sent really winning any battles GM is basically spray hitting instead of working to a plan based on what their buyers are telling them. Yes, elevate Cadillac but don't forget to do the same with Buick to fill the price gap and while they're at it, give Chevrolet more basic production by removing competing base model Buicks. An FWIW, I couldn't give a rats how much GM spends, all their chickens wil come home to roost one way or another. Chasing the luxury market is capital intensive and high risk, the very best GM can hope for is success without losing their shirt, Edited January 14, 2015 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 You can sum up GM's bad decisions with one example. You raise the price of the CTS - your banner sedan - and sales tank. So they announce not one, but TWO even larger and more expensive sedans going into a market that is still shrinking. How does that make any sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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