Moosetang Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Nothing wrong with the styling on the Focus Electric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Nothing wrong with the styling on the Focus Electric. They didn't bother changing any of it with the refresh. It's the only trim level that was completely unchanged Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosetang Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Ok but its still a good looking car, it may be overdue for a refresh but its not "the blandest style in the history of anything." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transitman Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 I have little faith my generation is going to help things much. I don't like the sound of that. Time to stock up on gold and shotgun shells, or maybe gold shotgun shells. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 I'm left with the impression that we will simply swap one master (oil) for another (electricity) and until the electricity masters work out an efficient way to store and charge for their energy in cars, the consumer will pay for all kinds of new technology costs. The turning point for me is when people star looking at performance hybrids and EVs, not just the econo versions that eek out a mundane existence as basic transport. Give us cars and Utilities that inspire a new generation of giult free motoring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron W. Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 (edited) The turning point for me is when people star looking at performance hybrids and EVs, not just the econo versions that eek out a mundane existence as basic transport. My son in-law works Tesla (I know R.J. you don't like Musk) and got to drive this my daughter was like "holy roller coaster.". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYj7y0stOzA So with a little luck performance EVs will compete with I.C.E.s performance cars. hmm, can't embed. Edited March 10, 2015 by Ron W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) My son in-law works Tesla (I know R.J. you don't like Musk) and got to drive this my daughter was like "holy roller coaster.". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYj7y0stOzA So with a little luck performance EVs will compete with I.C.E.s performance cars. hmm, can't embed. Issue is that Tesla still is losing money and the Musk factor is finally starting to be questioned. I love the shakeup that Tesla has done to the market but the China market layoffs, roomers of missing cars, sales propped up by massive government incentives that are slowly going away, constant delays of the Model X, bonus discounts on demos, having to pay huge amounts to people so Apple doesn't poach them all, unknown resale value, all while burning massive amounts of cash while not getting the revenue from selling credits that they did. You have the Germans coming on strong in the upper market, and Nissan and GM announced in the main market. Apple with a ton of cash, and compete in a market where getting a margin of 10% is considered out of this world. Musk is good at keeping the company in the news, baiting people and making himself the underdog. Apple will probably just come in and buy the company after it files for Bankruptcy which should be shortly after it stock price crashes, people bail on the company in a panic as their stock options are worthless and the media piles on which drys up sales. This should all happen come ~2017 when the next recession hits. Edited March 11, 2015 by jasonj80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I have little faith my generation is going to help things much. Sure they will. I can't wait to see how much they help $*% everything up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 My son in-law works Tesla (I know R.J. you don't like Musk) Hey, No. 1: You gotta eat, right? No. 2: Tell him to make sure he cashes out his options while everyone else in the market is still buying the Musk hype. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 the Anthony Robbins of the Auto Industry is our Mr Musk.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 the Anthony Robbins of the Auto Industry is our Mr Musk.... Or the Donald Trump, in that his business has shaky financials, but his personal fortune is juuuuuuuuuust fine. https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/how-does-trump-repeatedly-file-for-bankruptcy-and-still-stay-on-top 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 it will be interesting if they stay afloat without a huge shot from someone such as Apple, something I've said since day one, much to the chagrin of Tesla cultists, there's NO way they can survive bleeding money like they are and continue investing in areas that right now have limited return...."Superchargers???? " nothing like trying to invest in an infrastructure for what's basically a limited production car is there?. With rumors major players will be entering the foray, their "niche' market gets threatened as well...just cant see a WIN anywhere for Tesla....bunch of hyperloop if you ask me....lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 oh and Donalds fine with all the royalties he gets for the "Duck face" selfies...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 it will be interesting if they stay afloat without a huge shot from someone such as Apple Yeah, except Apple doesn't know how to make money on cars either. Here's what you need to know about Tesla in one very simple statistic: They issued $2.1B in notes last year. They burned through $990M of that money last year. They had $3.1B in revenue. That is not in any way, shape or form a sustainable business model. That this offering was bumped up due to investor demand is exhibit A in today's lecture on the stupidity of allegedly smart people acting in herds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 He's throwing out a bridge of other people's money in order to pay for product development Tesla cannot fund itself. If this was anything other than a novelty car enshrined in new age tech, investors would run the other way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang_sallad Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Tesla was brought up in this discussion as an example of how EVs and hybrids can offer more than just basic transportation. The fact that we're discussing whether or not Tesla will ultimately be successful more than 5 years after a bunch of us had already set very pessimistic expectations shows that, regardless of Musk's adventure, the technology has plenty of potential. If a startup (admittedly a very well-funded startup) can accomplish as much as they have, imagine what established automakers will accomplish once they start applying even a fraction of the focus as Tesla has on this segment. We're starting to see signs of that shift of focus with a number of major players (VW, BMW, GM) and now, I'm guessing 3 of the top 5 fastest cars in the world are either hybrids or plug-in hybrids, with more on the way. All that to say, Ford should make sure they don't get left behind in this segment. I was disappointed that they didn't have a single electrified powertrain to show off at Detroit, and this 200-mile EV rumour is one of a very few hints we've heard about Ford's plans, and now this one has been pretty flat out denied by Ford. I've always been a Ford fan above all else, but it's been frustrating to look elsewhere in the industry to get excited about new products for some time now. If I'm back in the market for a car in the next couple years as I expect, it's looking very unlikely that it'll be another Ford at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 But I think the issue is that a 200 mile EV is still the realm of expensive exotics and not within reach of even premium buyers. Maybe it takes the commitment of a large corporation like Ford or GM to will a 200 mile EV into existance and force down prices with volume production and sales. It would be nice to see but I doubt the will or need is there just yet.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 But I think the issue is that a 200 mile EV is still the realm of expensive exotics and not within reach of even premium buyers. The Chevy Bolt contradicts that assertion. Of course, GM has to deliver on the range, but I don't think there is any reason to doubt them at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosetang Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 And overblown Elon Musk claims or no, the Model X and eventual model 3 are aiming for 200+mile range at far under "exotic" prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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