tbone Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 If the Expedition comes with her, it doesn't matter what it looks like because their will be plenty of male buyers lined up. However, if you've noticed, many fullsized SUVs are driven by females, and though you and I might like it with F150 styling, the market suggests otherwise. It would be a poor choice to alienate half or more of your market, if you want this new model to take back marketshare. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddysystem Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 It's gotten pretty quiet on the new Expy news front. I thought I read on one of these forums that we might see more hints of it before the NAIS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 If the Expedition comes with her, it doesn't matter what it looks like because their will be plenty of male buyers lined up. However, if you've noticed, many fullsized SUVs are driven by females, and though you and I might like it with F150 styling, the market suggests otherwise. It would be a poor choice to alienate half or more of your market, if you want this new model to take back marketshare. So picking a feminine design isn't alienating the other half of the market of men who like traditional looking SUVs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 So picking a feminine design isn't alienating the other half of the market of men who like traditional looking SUVs? . So, only guys like "traditional looking" SUV's? The Lovely Linda had 3 Ford Escapes....2001, 2005, 2010, when it came time to replace the 2010, Ford had restyled the Escape to what it looks like now.....she hated it. Now, she drives a Subaru Forester...closest to the "traditional looking" SUV's of yore....squarish, boxy looking...what she likes in her SUV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 I didn't say it's what I would want. Do you think the GM triplets look like feminine vehicles, not like trucks? I think they look fine, but they do have softer lines than their truck counterparts. All I'm saying is how many women do you see driving F-150s? It's probably 5 to 10% of the trucks, whereas in SUV's, full size particularly, it's probably at minimum half, but likely more. In most cases these are their family vehicles, traditionally driven by the wife. If you don't think that wives have an impact on the vehicles that are bought for the family, then I would kindly ask you to reevaluate that position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Any information on the 2018 Expedition job one date? No information yet on model changeover for any vehicles but I expect that we'll start to get information soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 (edited) The F-150 in particular has adopted a very boxy utilitarian design inside and out. Very hard vertical lines and rough chunky details, especially on the interior which has gone off the deep-end in the latest iteration. There is no question the Expedition could never use any elements of those designs and remain desirable to a large audience looking for a family hauler and daily driver that is essentially a luxury SUV. More over, it would look absolutely terrible as an SUV because of it's extremely wide and boxy greenhouse with low window sills (it would look more like a Transit van or something from 1991). I think this has been a problem for the Expedition for awhile, very undesirable designs despite the more sophisticated underpinnings. I'm convinced the new Expedition seems to have FINALLY figured out what those customers wanted. I haven't seen the interior of the new Expy however. I will say the headlamps are quite different than the Explorer's but along the same evolution, rear-end is okay, the taillights are an evolution of the Explorer's but it's a little fussy to me, they are being used to make the rear look chunkier than the Navigator (both use the same body, different greenhouse details and fascias). I also got to see the Navigator a few days ago, I like the front-end much better than the concept, it's more aggressive with sharper headlights and a wider lower fascia like the Continental (grille isn't as tall but still ginormous). The body is sleek but long, the rear overhang looks better with the chunkier details (a full ledge on the bumper instead of the smoothed butt). The rear taillights look very little like the concept and much more like the Conti but more robust and thicker. The entire back-end looks nice but certainly not as tapered or smooth (I prefer it all around). The interior is outstanding, holly sh*t! Wait until you see that, the design is far more distinctive than the Continental and the floating touchscreen isn't quite as massive as you think. The wheels on the Black Label model are absolutely unreal, nearly identical to the concept's and beautifully frame a relatively simple and smooth design. The thing that really strikes you about the new Navigator is that although it's not Land Rover slick or contemporary, it looks far less like the ancient truck of the current Navigator. I think it stands a reasonable chance against the edgier Escalade. Lincoln is making some nice progress. Edited December 26, 2016 by BORG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 (edited) The F-150 in particular has adopted a very boxy utilitarian design inside and out. Very hard vertical lines and rough chunky details, especially on the interior which has gone off the deep-end in the latest iteration. There is no question the Expedition could never use any elements of those designs and remain desirable to a large audience looking for a family hauler and daily driver that is essentially a luxury SUV. I also got to see the Navigator a few days ago, I like the front-end much better than the concept, it's more aggressive with sharper headlights and a wider lower fascia like the Continental (grille isn't as tall but still ginormous). Although our opinions of the interior of the F150 diverge, I totally agree with your opinion about the next generation of the Expedition. These two vehicles should share very little aesthetically. How have you seen the Navigator already? Edited December 26, 2016 by tbone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 How have you seen the Navigator already? I've always wondered that. He's seen the 2018 Mustang too according to a post he made about 4(?) months ago. I'm guessing he works in the area and knows people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 (edited) . Borg, I'd love to quote you elsewhere (unless you'd rather do that yourself) Would you mind? Edited December 27, 2016 by 2b2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddysystem Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 (edited) I'm really looking forward to this Expedition reveal. My 05Yukon XL is getting up in miles and rust is starting to fester in a couple typical areas. I like this generation GM because of the flat rear cargo area (after 3rd row seat is removed) as I use it as a covered pick up a lot of the time. I don't really like the latest GM models because they are a much larger vehicle (high beltline, hood etc.) with less real room and drive crappy. If Ford pulls this off they'll have a buyer. Edited January 3, 2017 by buddysystem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 . So, only guys like "traditional looking" SUV's? The Lovely Linda had 3 Ford Escapes....2001, 2005, 2010, when it came time to replace the 2010, Ford had restyled the Escape to what it looks like now.....she hated it. Now, she drives a Subaru Forester...closest to the "traditional looking" SUV's of yore....squarish, boxy looking...what she likes in her SUV. My wife isn't a fan of the current Escape, but I think for the most part styling is overrated with most buyers...as long as its not outrageously ugly (Think Aztek), it won't hurt it if its priced right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dlcorbett Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 if it looks anything like the explorer, or a newer ford for that matter, itll be far from ugly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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