fordmantpw Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Diesel vs. gas comparison. Results may surprise you...the Cummins doesn't appear to be worth $5k over the gasser. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVDoo5fiLCg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY93SHO Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Kinda/ maybe explains why Ram didn't use this motor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted July 12, 2016 Author Share Posted July 12, 2016 Kinda/ maybe explains why Ram didn't use this motor. That's likely at least part of the reason. I've checked the fuel economy on Fuelly, and overall, the XD diesel is averaging only 1 +/- MPG better than the Super Duty with the 6.7L. I would wager that 6.7L owners are towing more than XD owners, so to me, that's a big failure for the Cummins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Ford Ecoboost did that in 7:38 and could have been faster but the rules are they cannot exceed the speed limit. Ecoboost appears to be be the only one that can actually top the speed limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jpvbs Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Does anyone know If the new Titan available in dealer stock in any quanities yet? They only sold 896 of them last month. If production and availability has normalized, that is a disaster for Nissan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted July 13, 2016 Author Share Posted July 13, 2016 Does anyone know If the new Titan available in dealer stock in any quanities yet? They only sold 896 of them last month. If production and availability has normalized, that is a disaster for Nissan. I have seen several at the Nissan dealers I've driven past. I'm not sure if availability has normalized or not though. I've looked at a few, and dang they are ugly! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 I have seen several at the Nissan dealers I've driven past. I'm not sure if availability has normalized or not though. I've looked at a few, and dang they are ugly! Maybe it will steal some Tundra (equally as ugly) sales from the guys that "...just gotta have a non-American truck". Nobody test drives a F-150 then buys a Tundra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazerdude20 Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Maybe it will steal some Tundra (equally as ugly) sales from the guys that "...just gotta have a non-American truck". Nobody test drives a F-150 then buys a Tundra. I actually find the refreshed Tundra to be a pretty good looking truck. Better than the Silverado. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY93SHO Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 I actually find the refreshed Tundra to be a pretty good looking truck. Better than the Silverado. Still looks bloated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Still looks bloated.At least they changed it, rather than GM using the same basic design but slightly altered since the early 90s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 At least they changed it, rather than GM using the same basic design but slightly altered since the early 90s. What's wrong with round wheels in square wheel wells? (Answer - EVERYTHING!) 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 What's wrong with round wheels in square wheel wells? (Answer - EVERYTHING!) LOLOLOL true Also, the front is essentially the same as the 1996 version with basically minor updates, and the rear is the same with only wider taillights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Does anyone know If the new Titan available in dealer stock in any quanities yet? They only sold 896 of them last month. If production and availability has normalized, that is a disaster for Nissan. Titan XD inventories at U.S. Nissan dealerships are still ramping up. The regular (half ton) second generation Titan is scheduled for release in "late summer 2016" according to Nissan. Maybe it will steal some Tundra (equally as ugly) sales from the guys that "...just gotta have a non-American truck". Nobody test drives a F-150 then buys a Tundra. Titan and Tundra are American trucks. Both are designed, engineered, and assembled entirely in the USA. Both trucks are much more popular in the Southern United States (not surprising, since the trucks are assembled there) and some parts of the West than in the U.S. as a whole. I do agree that a typical F-150 prospect is unlikely to purchase a Tundra or Titan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted July 14, 2016 Author Share Posted July 14, 2016 Titan and Tundra are American trucks. Both are designed, engineered, and assembled entirely in the USA. Both trucks are much more popular in the Southern United States (not surprising, since the trucks are assembled there) and some parts of the West than in the U.S. as a whole. But, in many buyers' minds, it is purchased because they refuse to purchase an American vehicle (one from the big 3). As noted, it is not typically purchased because it is a better truck. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Titan and Tundra are American trucks. Both are designed, engineered, and assembled entirely in the USA. Both trucks are much more popular in the Southern United States (not surprising, since the trucks are assembled there) and some parts of the West than in the U.S. as a whole. Ichiro Suzuki plays baseball in the USA -that does not make him American. He lives here, takes BP here, He is a Japanese ball player earning his living in a foreign market. Titan and Tundra are Japanese trucks designed and built for the American market. That is much more accurate description. I won't argue with you - but you won't change my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Both trucks are much more popular in the Southern United States (not surprising, since the trucks are assembled there) and some parts of the West than in the U.S. as a whole. No need to clue me on on the popularity - those hideous things are all over the place in Colorado. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Ichiro Suzuki plays baseball in the USA -that does not make him American. He lives here, takes BP here, He is a Japanese ball player earning his living in a foreign market. Titan and Tundra are Japanese trucks designed and built for the American market. That is much more accurate description. Tundra and Titan are no more "Japanese" than Ram 1500 is "Anglo/Dutch/Italian". Every LD full size pickup truck offered for new retail sale in the U.S. market is an American product, regardless of HQ locations for the respective parent companies. A better analogy would be Tiky drink: This is a product of Guatemala, and is specifically bottled and distributed in that country. The parent company that owns the TIky brand is Coca-Cola. That doesn't make Tiky a U.S. product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Your comparison to the Ram trucks being Italian isn't relevant. Dodge/Ram is an American brand, acquired by an Italian company. Nobody considers it Italian, that's just nonsense. Toyota is and has always been Japanese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blwnsmoke Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 ^^^ however the profits are now tied to a foreign company and go overseas and for that, I will never buy Dodge/Chrysler/Ram product. Buy American and support America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Hatter Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Your comparison to the Ram trucks being Italian isn't relevant. Dodge/Ram is an American brand, acquired by an Italian company. Nobody considers it Italian, that's just nonsense. Toyota is and has always been Japanese. You've made brand identity and public perception the defining issues which skews the matter in favor of your argument. Not content source. Not place of manufacture. Not corporate ownership. Not even a domestic incorporation of a foreign manufacturer. Let's say FCA sells Ram and Geely is the buyer-and it's not hidden. I'm certain Ram would suffer for the association. A Camry made in Kentucky is more an American vehicle than a FCA Ram made in Mexico. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Dodge/Ram is an American brand, acquired by an Italian company. Nobody considers it Italian, that's just nonsense. Just as nonsensical as the assertion that Toyota Tundra and Nissan Titan are Japanese trucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 support America The best way to do that as a consumer is to buy whatever products and services best meet one's needs and desires, ignoring country of origin for those products and services. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Tundra and Titan are no more "Japanese" than Ram 1500 is "Anglo/Dutch/Italian". Every LD full size pickup truck offered for new retail sale in the U.S. market is an American product, regardless of HQ locations for the respective parent companies. A better analogy would be Tiky drink: This is a product of Guatemala, and is specifically bottled and distributed in that country. The parent company that owns the TIky brand is Coca-Cola. That doesn't make Tiky a U.S. product. My experience: I worked many years for a US Based Software Giant - I won't mention names but they are now known for holding what is generally regarded as the 'Oldest Trophy in Sports'. If you can't guess google it. Our #1 competitor was German based. We had major operations in Germany and across Europe - including sales, development and support centers. Our top leadership made it very clear - we were not there to be 'good guys'. We were there to compete fiercely 24/7/365 to take as much business away from our competitor right in their own front and back yard. Funny - our CEO was also known for his admiration of the Japanese culture of competitiveness. Aneekr - Tell me how Toyota and the Tundra is any different than the American company I described above? Let's just reverse the logic to prove the point. Would the Japanese people consider a Ford assembled in Japan (like that could ever happen, but imagine) Japanese? Of course not! So switching the names around is does not change the logic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 (edited) You've made brand identity and public perception the defining issues which skews the matter in favor of your argument. Not content source. Not place of manufacture. Not corporate ownership. Not even a domestic incorporation of a foreign manufacturer. Let's say FCA sells Ram and Geely is the buyer-and it's not hidden. I'm certain Ram would suffer for the association. A Camry made in Kentucky is more an American vehicle than a FCA Ram made in Mexico. I'm making them "defining issues" because that's what the vast majority of people think. Very very few people look at a Tundra and think "oh that truck is built here in Texas, it's an American truck!!" they see the Toyota badge and think it's Japanese. Edited July 15, 2016 by rmc523 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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