Assimilator Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 I buy new cars pretty frequently and I have yet to encounter the break-in period phenomenon with any of them. Usually fuel economy gets worse as time goes on...probably because driving habits change as you get more confident with the car's performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil1336 Posted June 28, 2018 Author Share Posted June 28, 2018 (edited) I buy new cars pretty frequently and I have yet to encounter the break-in period phenomenon with any of them. Usually fuel economy gets worse as time goes on...probably because driving habits change as you get more confident with the car's performance. I agree. Perhaps 30 or more years ago when New Cars needed a "Break in period" where speed should be moderated as well as braking for (X) amount of miles, Engines might have settled into their comfort zones after 6000 to 10,000 miles were driven. Now New Vehicle`s are machined an made with such close tolerances that Owners Manuals don't even suggest driving a certain way for X amount of miles. I believe its about time to put this old Wives Tale to rest, once an for all. It is what it is. Great Fuel economy to begin with usually stays steady through the entire period of Ownership. Poor Fuel economy, bad to begin with, likewise is there to stay as well. I'm glad that I'm basically happy about most other aspects of my EcoSport experience with the sole exception having poor Fuel Economy. Previously posted my dismay about not having a CD Player any longer nor Sirius Satellite Radio available in a 20K Base Model Vehicle but that too is the way it is. Glad I seldom keep a New Car much longer then 3 or 4 years so we will see what`s available then. I suggest to potential EcoSport Buyers, Lease or keep looking! Edited June 28, 2018 by phil1336 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 I get around 32 mpg in my 2.0L Focus. A mixture of highway and stop and go traffic. No complaints on mileage for me, about right what I would expect begin it was rated 27 / 37. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 I get around 32 mpg in my 2.0L Focus. A mixture of highway and stop and go traffic. No complaints on mileage for me, about right what I would expect begin it was rated 27 / 37. When I traded mine I was averaging 31.2. Could have been more but my wife has a lead foot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 When I traded mine I was averaging 31.2. Could have been more but my wife has a lead foot Yours was a stick too right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Yours was a stick too right? Yeah. Ill have to dig up the sticker bit I think it was rated 29/38, and it was mostly just driven around town. Occasionally I would drive it to work, especially in winter because red car doesnt do well in snow at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 any hybrid will have the e-CVT. Not all, but many. I could be wrong but I believe thats primarily true for Ford and Toyota and will likely not be the case with the future RWD hybrids. Honda even had a manual hybrid at one point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 In the picture below, the Ford on the left gets better highway fuel economy than the Ford on the right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 In the picture below, the Ford on the left gets better highway fuel economy than the Ford on the right. Well thats good, because they will sell a heck of lot more of the ones on the left at a much better price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 In the picture below, the Ford on the left gets better highway fuel economy than the Ford on the right. Amazing what diesel will do for you! What baffles me, though, is how does Ford get the same MPG out of the 3.0L diesel F150 as they do out of the 1.5L diesel Transit Connect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil1336 Posted June 30, 2018 Author Share Posted June 30, 2018 I get around 32 mpg in my 2.0L Focus. A mixture of highway and stop and go traffic. No complaints on mileage for me, about right what I would expect begin it was rated 27 / 37. I would be very please too getting that Fuel Economy with a 4 cyl. 2 L Engine. No so much with a 3 cyl 1 L Engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil1336 Posted June 30, 2018 Author Share Posted June 30, 2018 In the picture below, the Ford on the left gets better highway fuel economy than the Ford on the right. Guess that proves that EPA Scott Pruitt in right? No need to regulate CAFE Industry standards since its been proven that a heavier vehicle with a larger engine gets better fuel economy. Wish that worked for me. The more Beer I drank, the more weight I would loose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Guess that proves that EPA Scott Pruitt in right? No need to regulate CAFE Industry standards since its been proven that a heavier vehicle with a larger engine gets better fuel economy. Wish that worked for me. The more Beer I drank, the more weight I would loose. You do realize he was proving your (and my) point right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil1336 Posted July 3, 2018 Author Share Posted July 3, 2018 You do realize he was proving your (and my) point right? I agree. Common sense would lead someone to believe otherwise but I guess size doesn't matter at least when it comes to Fuel Economy. Years ago, Vehicle size & weight coupled with Engine displacement equalled MPG, obviously no longer. Guess I simple got spoiled with my 5 years of C-Max Hybrid experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 The bottom line is for your EcoSport and an F-150 to get the same fuel economy is ridiculous. The EcoSport should be worlds more efficient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil1336 Posted July 7, 2018 Author Share Posted July 7, 2018 The bottom line is for your EcoSport and an F-150 to get the same fuel economy is ridiculous. The EcoSport should be worlds more efficient. Ford should take a cue from what Kia did with its newly launched 2012 Rio in the Fall of 2011. Huge build up of new advanced state of the art Auto Transmission an a brand new GDI 1.6 L 4 Cyl Engine. The Hatchback wasn't` a bad looking B-Segment Sub Compact especially in Hatchback configuration. Kia (as well as Hyundai ) with their identical Accent boasted excellent performance, handling and braking in a under 15K Vehicle. The car was actually not all that bad, (except) deplorable Fuel Economy. EPA rated at 30-32 MPG City and 40 MPG Highway with an average somewhere in between. In real time, 24-26 MPG City and 28-30 MPG Highway, "Max". Just like Ford did with its C-Max Hybrid, both Kia & Hyundai sent Cash back to buyers an those that Registered their Vehicles an came back once a year to a Kia or Hyundai Dealership, for the entire life of Ownership got a Pre-Paid Credit Card based on the Miles driven that year. I got checks from $70 to $90 every year depending on how much or little I drove that year. Perhaps Ford should consider doing something similar to appease Buyers with disappointing Fuel Economy. To Ford`s credit, unlike Kia an Hyundai that falsified the EPA Numbers, Ford pretty much put on the EcoSports MSRP the expected Fuel Economy. Wishful thinkers like myself figured that it just (had) to be better then what was Posted. I repeat, other then the ridiculous poor Fuel Economy, I'm pretty pleased with my "Baby Escape". I seriously doubt any re-engineering "tweaking" on the EcoSport via Tuning or changing Transaxle Gearing would do little to improve the MPG significantly. It is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 So, even thought the vehicle gets the MPG that the sticker said it would, you think Ford should pay customers for it not getting good fuel economy? Seriously? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil1336 Posted July 8, 2018 Author Share Posted July 8, 2018 So, even thought the vehicle gets the MPG that the sticker said it would, you think Ford should pay customers for it not getting good fuel economy? Seriously? They are certainly not obligated to do anything whatsoever. That said, this Mini-Sport Utility Vehicle was Marketed to fill the void in Ford`s line up to compete in this currently popular sector. True, their Posted EPA Fuel Economy number were accurate. Life long Ford Buyers like myself with decades of loyalty had simple hoped for at least a marginal boost in Fuel Economy. I don't need nor want a Ford 150 Pickup Truck even if it delivered better Fuel Economy. Common sense would lead someone to anticipate that an EcoSport would be more fuel efficient then a heavier larger displacement Vehicle be it a Car or Truck. I have already beat this to death an will not add any further comment to this "Thread". One Positive attribute I should mention, the EcoSport A/C Unit is by far the best performing HVAC System that I have ever experienced in any Vehicle regardless of Brand. 94` F an near 100% Humidity in Mid-Day Florida Sun an it blows Ice Cold Air out of all vents. Only thing missing would be (micro-ice-chips) mixed with the frigid air flow. They got that right, spot on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 If anything-smaller cars get worse highway mileage because they are so small and harder to shape aerodynamically. https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a7461/why-dont-pint-sized-cars-get-better-gas-mileage/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 If anything-smaller cars get worse highway mileage because they are so small and harder to shape aerodynamically. https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a7461/why-dont-pint-sized-cars-get-better-gas-mileage/ They also have to run at higher rpm usually. My F150 cruises at 1200 rpm at moderate speeds. I bet ecosport is closer to 2500 at highway speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil1336 Posted July 11, 2018 Author Share Posted July 11, 2018 They also have to run at higher rpm usually. My F150 cruises at 1200 rpm at moderate speeds. I bet ecosport is closer to 2500 at highway speed. Your pretty close. 2200-2300 RPM between 70 & 75 MPH. Hope Ford introduces more of its Vehicle line to Diamond White to replace Oxford White. A much softer more luxurious White Paint IMO if you choose not to go to the Tri-Coat Metallic White upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil1336 Posted July 14, 2018 Author Share Posted July 14, 2018 One of my Neighbors just traded in his 2 year old Jeep Renegade for a 2018 VW Tiguan Limited Compact CUV. Has a 2.0 ltr. 4 cyl engine with AT. EPA Fuel Economy on MSRP was to say the least, "Shocking". 20 MPG City an 26 MPG Highway. Guess the EcoSport has it beat on Fuel Economy. Priced similar to EcoSport SE as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assimilator Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 (edited) The Tiguan is a segment above EcoSport. VW has something called the T-Roc which is in the EcoSport size class in Europe but is really a repackaged Tiguan. Edited July 14, 2018 by Assimilator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 One of my Neighbors just traded in his 2 year old Jeep Renegade for a 2018 VW Tiguan Limited Compact CUV. Has a 2.0 ltr. 4 cyl engine with AT. EPA Fuel Economy on MSRP was to say the least, "Shocking". 20 MPG City an 26 MPG Highway. Guess the EcoSport has it beat on Fuel Economy. Priced similar to EcoSport SE as well. It might be they were enticed by phenomenaly low VW lease rates like Ive seen here in Chicagoland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil1336 Posted July 22, 2018 Author Share Posted July 22, 2018 Your pretty close. 2200-2300 RPM between 70 & 75 MPH. Hope Ford introduces more of its Vehicle line to Diamond White to replace Oxford White. A much softer more luxurious White Paint IMO if you choose not to go to the Tri-Coat Metallic White upgrade. Update on that RPM rating traveling at 75 MPH recently on I75 from Ft Lauderdale over to Naples, FL. Closer to 2600-2700 RPM. This Engine was too small for its weight an poor aerodynamics. Ford should upgrade quickly to a slightly larger EcoBoost Engine for 2019 MY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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