Bob Rosadini Posted May 18, 2020 Author Share Posted May 18, 2020 4 hours ago, akirby said: I don't think he said 100% and I'm pretty sure he includes hybrids and PHEVs with electrification and the "new world" not just BEVs. And he also included autonomous vehicles in the 100% statement. Or was the 100% statement attributed to him inaccurate? If so I spoke too soon. If not he and the Donald both need a fact checker?. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bob Rosadini said: And he also included autonomous vehicles in the 100% statement. Or was the 100% statement attributed to him inaccurate? If so I spoke too soon. If not he and the Donald both need a fact checker?. Jim Hackett didn't say that. Here is Hackett's statement. I don’t think this company can keep straddling the old and new worlds forever ... This company has to change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 28 minutes ago, kyle said: Well maybe you missed this development from GM last week-they are moving aggressively into autonomous.... The 2021 Cadillac Escalade is shaping up as General Motors’ leading technology platform. Unveiled in Los Angeles and New York this week, the wow-factor feature is a 38-inch OLED display in front of the driver. The big SUV also has a raft of driver-assist and safety features standard or available, most notably the second generation of Super Cruise, the Level 2 autonomous driving that locates the car precisely on the road because Cadillac has lidar-mapped 200,000 miles of US and Canada highways. Super Cruise is not an AV. The technology is useful as a driver aid but that's not the same as Autonomous vehicles with no drivers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 1 hour ago, akirby said: Super Cruise is not an AV. The technology is useful as a driver aid but that's not the same as Autonomous vehicles with no drivers. Maybe not but GM is presenting it as a Level 2 AV complete with lidar mapping so there's going to be a bit of "auto pilot" perception in that message. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, jpd80 said: Maybe not but GM is presenting it as a Level 2 AV complete with lidar mapping so there's going to be a bit of "auto pilot" perception in that message. Auto Pilot is not the same as a fully Autonomous vehicle. Edited May 18, 2020 by akirby 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, akirby said: Auto Pilot is not the same as a fully Autonomous vehicle. I was thinking more along the lines of drivers treating it like a fully autonomous vehicle and becoming distracted while the system is active.Thers going to be a big temptation for owners to pick up their phones while the system is on and pay less attention to the road and what's going on..... Edited May 18, 2020 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 1 hour ago, jpd80 said: I was thinking more along the lines of drivers treating it like a fully autonomous vehicle and becoming distracted while the system is active. No sir jpd80 sir, that’s not what rperez was referring to when he said the future is 100% autonomous. He means driverless, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, akirby said: No sir jpd80 sir, that’s not what rperez was referring to when he said the future is 100% autonomous. He means driverless, Thank you akirby sir, I now realise the error of my post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 You guys are being mean............ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 6 hours ago, kyle said: Well maybe you missed this development from GM last week-they are moving aggressively into autonomous.... The 2021 Cadillac Escalade is shaping up as General Motors’ leading technology platform. Unveiled in Los Angeles and New York this week, the wow-factor feature is a 38-inch OLED display in front of the driver. The big SUV also has a raft of driver-assist and safety features standard or available, most notably the second generation of Super Cruise, the Level 2 autonomous driving that locates the car precisely on the road because Cadillac has lidar-mapped 200,000 miles of US and Canada highways. Sorry Kyle, level 2 is not in the zip code of 'autonomous' - I didn't miss anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 37 minutes ago, Harley Lover said: Sorry Kyle, level 2 is not in the zip code of 'autonomous' - I didn't miss anything. Fair enough and I guess I think my perception of this technology Is based on what is rolling out right now. Based on that you are spot on and until the roads are upgraded these systems cannot work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 I think full autonomy is level 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OX1 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 On 5/17/2020 at 8:34 PM, mackinaw said: The analyst is pointing out that there's only so much money in the pot. Especially now that Covid has severely reduced income. Manufacturers are more likely to spend their available cash on EV's, not ICE. A reasonable assumption, I think. Or they may just keep essentially what they have, and spend much less on development at all. The cheapest answer, and with customer funds drying up, the customer might be fine with that for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, akirby said: I think full autonomy is level 5 Yes sir, thank you akirby. Here's a summary of the SAE levels. Examples. Level 0. 1920 Ford Model T, 2010 Hyundai Accent Level 1. Adaptive cruise control (various manufacturers) Level 2. Cadillac Super Cruise, Tesla Auto Pilot, Nissan ProPilot Assist Level 3. Audi Traffic Jam Pilot (discontinued), Nissan ProPilot 2.0. Some Level 3 features being added to Super Cruise, Auto Pilot, and other Level 2 systems. Level 4. Ford self-driving cars being tested as delivery vehicles with Postmates and Domino's Pizza Level 5. Still under research & development Edited May 19, 2020 by rperez817 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 In Basic Terms Level 1 is Adaptive Cruise or Lane Centering (One drive assistance system) Level 2 is Adaptive Cruise & Lane Centering - You can have your hands off the wheel for a limited time and not touch the gas for extended periods of time (Ford Adaptive Cruise and Lane Centering system, Toyota Safety system 2.0) Level 2.5 is Adaptive Cruise & Lane Centering as well as driver indicated lane changes but the system will change lanes (BMW, Mercedes, Audi Systems, old GM super cruise) Level 3 in certain optimal conditions on limited roads the vehicle can drive, change lanes, negotiate turns, and get road data from the GPS, but the drive must remain attentive. (new GM Super cruise) Level 3.5 adds local roads to level 3, stop signs, traffic signals (Tesla Autopilot) Level 4 is all of the above but on all roads with no input from the driver from point to point, but driver needs to be ready to take over. (Preproduction; currently run on fixed routes for shuttles) Level 5 is Human level autonomy in all road conditions (Dirt roads, snow, unmapped roads, heavy rain, fog) 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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