Ford EV Partner CATL Debuts LFP Battery with 621 Mile Range

[ice-capades]

Ford EV Partner CATL Debuts LFP Battery with 621 Mile Range

https://fordauthority.com/2024/04/ford-ev-partner-catl-debuts-lfp-battery-with-621-mile-range/

 

 

CATL is already the world’s largest supplier of EV batteries, but the Chinese-based company isn’t exactly resting on its laurels, even as demand for those types of vehicles has waned as of late. Rather, it continues to develop longer-range batteries and fast-charging lithium-iron phosphate (LFP) units, and will also license its LFP tech to Ford for use at the under-construction BlueOval Battery Park Michigan site, as well as potentially other automakers, too. Now, CATL has debuted a new type of LFP battery that promises a driving range of 1,000 kilometers, or 621 miles per charge, according to Reuters.

 

 

Dubbed the Shenxing Plus, this new LFP battery is the first of its kind to boast such a high range figure, which is notable because LFP batteries are known for being less energy dense than comparable lithium-ion units. The current version of this battery already boasts a 700 kilometer (435 mile) range, which is in use in four EVs currently, though 50 more are expected to adopt it by the end of 2024.

 

For now at least, that list doesn’t include any Ford-branded vehicles, but CATL does supply the LFP battery present in the standard-range Ford Mustang Mach-E that debuted for the 2023 model year. That change added 45 horsepower to eAWD  models while also cutting DC fast charging speeds, enabling those vehicles to charge to 100 percent without battery degradation while adding more range to boot – 250 miles for RWD and 230 miles for eAWD models.

 

Meanwhile, the Ford F-150 Lightning is also slated to receive an LFP battery option at some point, though that hasn’t happened as of yet. LFP battery packs don’t use nickel or cobalt in their construction and are generally cheaper, safer, and can be charged to 100 percent without worrying about speeding up battery degradation, though they’re also not as energy dense as lithium-ion batteries.

Edited April 26 by ice-capades
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[tbone]

Does anyone know why there are no major American battery manufacturers? Perhaps I’m just not aware of them.

 

I absolutely despise doing business with China, our number one national security threat. 

[silvrsvt]

6 hours ago, tbone said:

Does anyone know why there are no major American battery manufacturers? Perhaps I’m just not aware of them.

 

I absolutely despise doing business with China, our number one national security threat. 

Because of profit margins with smaller electronic devices, where most batteries have been used. 
 

I'm sure there are companies in the USA now working on different types of battery cells due to the demand. 

[tbone]

On 4/27/2024 at 6:07 AM, silvrsvt said:

Because of profit margins with smaller electronic devices, where most batteries have been used. 
 

I'm sure there are companies in the USA now working on different types of battery cells due to the demand. 

I hope you’re right.  Perhaps we just steal their tech like they do to us.  

[Gurgeh]

On 4/27/2024 at 7:07 AM, silvrsvt said:

Because of profit margins with smaller electronic devices, where most batteries have been used. 
 

I'm sure there are companies in the USA now working on different types of battery cells due to the demand. 

Also massive Chinese government subsidies throughout the EV ecosystem -- from mining, to refining, to processing, to components, to production. It isn't just batteries that China now dominates. It is pretty much everything. It will be difficult for the U.S. to duplicate that due to our own policy choices. For instance, because of environmentalist opposition -- the same folks that want us to go 100% electric ASAP -- it is almost impossible to open any new mining operation in the United States. The government just canceled a new copper mine (which would have given the country a whopping two) in Alaska that was already permitted due to enviro opposition. The U.S. has extensive rare earth resources (along with significant deposits of other relevant metals and minerals), but we just can't get to them.

[Andrew L]

9 minutes ago, Gurgeh said:

Also massive Chinese government subsidies throughout the EV ecosystem -- from mining, to refining, to processing, to components, to production. It isn't just batteries that China now dominates. It is pretty much everything. It will be difficult for the U.S. to duplicate that due to our own policy choices. For instance, because of environmentalist opposition -- the same folks that want us to go 100% electric ASAP -- it is almost impossible to open any new mining operation in the United States. The government just canceled a new copper mine (which would have given the country a whopping two) in Alaska that was already permitted due to enviro opposition. The U.S. has extensive rare earth resources (along with significant deposits of other relevant metals and minerals), but we just can't get to them.

 

I remember watching a podcast where they were talking about just how much rare minerals are in Alaska and how it wouldn't even take a huge area like a post stamp size of land would give us a ton and have nearly no impact to the area just because of how massive Alaska is.  Pretty crazy to think.

[silvrsvt]

29 minutes ago, Gurgeh said:

For instance, because of environmentalist opposition -- the same folks that want us to go 100% electric ASAP -- it is almost impossible to open any new mining operation in the United States. The government just canceled a new copper mine (which would have given the country a whopping two) in Alaska that was already permitted due to enviro opposition. The U.S. has extensive rare earth resources (along with significant deposits of other relevant metals and minerals), but we just can't get to them.

 

That will go away as time goes on...opposition will be taken care of through different means. Just at this point some people don't think its a big deal. Just look at how fracking is going in the US. There was lots of opposition to it about 10-15 years ago, now it doesn't even register in the media. Money has a way of taking care of things like this. 

Once people can't get what they want (which is very real possibility over the next 10-20 years depending how how China goes) you'll see opposition disappear. 

[Gurgeh]

5 hours ago, silvrsvt said:

 

That will go away as time goes on...opposition will be taken care of through different means. Just at this point some people don't think its a big deal. Just look at how fracking is going in the US. There was lots of opposition to it about 10-15 years ago, now it doesn't even register in the media. Money has a way of taking care of things like this. 

Once people can't get what they want (which is very real possibility over the next 10-20 years depending how how China goes) you'll see opposition disappear. 

I doubt it, but one of us will be right. As for opposition to fracking, just Google "opposition to fracking 2024" and a long list of articles appear about all the folks who are successfully opposing it from California, to New York, to Colorado, to the national moratorium on new fracking operations placed a few years ago on federal lands.

[twintornados]

On 4/29/2024 at 2:01 PM, Gurgeh said:

I doubt it, but one of us will be right. As for opposition to fracking, just Google "opposition to fracking 2024" and a long list of articles appear about all the folks who are successfully opposing it from California, to New York, to Colorado, to the national moratorium on new fracking operations placed a few years ago on federal lands.

 

In New York, the Marcellus shale field is huge but since the socialists/communists hiding within the Dem party are currently in charge in the NYS Legislature, there is a fracking ban.

[tbone]

On 4/29/2024 at 7:14 AM, Gurgeh said:

Also massive Chinese government subsidies throughout the EV ecosystem -- from mining, to refining, to processing, to components, to production. It isn't just batteries that China now dominates. It is pretty much everything. It will be difficult for the U.S. to duplicate that due to our own policy choices. For instance, because of environmentalist opposition -- the same folks that want us to go 100% electric ASAP -- it is almost impossible to open any new mining operation in the United States. The government just canceled a new copper mine (which would have given the country a whopping two) in Alaska that was already permitted due to enviro opposition. The U.S. has extensive rare earth resources (along with significant deposits of other relevant metals and minerals), but we just can't get to them.

I find most environmentalist or hypocrites. They’re environmentalist as long as it doesn’t occur in their backyard. They don’t care if it’s done somewhere else.

[akirby]

1 hour ago, tbone said:

I find most environmentalist or hypocrites. They’re environmentalist as long as it doesn’t occur in their backyard. They don’t care if it’s done somewhere else.

They also don’t care if what they want to do actually works.  What matters is they can say they did something and feel good about it and pat themselves on the back.  Same applies to a lot of social issues like banning assault weapons.

[silvrsvt]

21 hours ago, akirby said:

They also don’t care if what they want to do actually works.  What matters is they can say they did something and feel good about it and pat themselves on the back.  Same applies to a lot of social issues like banning assault weapons.

 

Banning things doesn't remove the threat of that said thing...no matter what it is. 

[akirby]

32 minutes ago, silvrsvt said:

 

Banning things doesn't remove the threat of that said thing...no matter what it is. 

Nor does it necessarily address the root cause.

[fordmantpw]

Last time I checked, killing people is banned.

 

So, yeah, banning something used to kill people (the same people who's killing is already banned) should help, right?

 

Also, you can't legislate morality.

[tbone]

13 hours ago, akirby said:

Nor does it necessarily address the root cause.

The root cause is defective people who can’t or won’t function in normal society.  

[akirby]

5 hours ago, tbone said:

The root cause is defective people who can’t or won’t function in normal society.  

Exactly.

[Andrew L]

On 5/2/2024 at 1:15 PM, tbone said:

I find most environmentalist or hypocrites. They’re environmentalist as long as it doesn’t occur in their backyard. They don’t care if it’s done somewhere else.

 

A childhood friend of mine who lives in New England is a very big environmentalist, but not the kind that protests or anything, and does a lot of outdoor activities.  He was telling me about how he went kayaking by a public park and they had a one of those big "Protect mother nature" or "clean up the beach" gatherings on the beach of the park that he saw from a distance.  He went back later and said the amount of trash left on the beach was disappointing and started cleaning it all up.  Every time he goes out kayaking he brings a small trash bag with him and fills it up, the biggest thing that would piss him off to no end was face masks floating in the water. 

[tbone]

14 hours ago, Andrew L said:

 

A childhood friend of mine who lives in New England is a very big environmentalist, but not the kind that protests or anything, and does a lot of outdoor activities.  He was telling me about how he went kayaking by a public park and they had a one of those big "Protect mother nature" or "clean up the beach" gatherings on the beach of the park that he saw from a distance.  He went back later and said the amount of trash left on the beach was disappointing and started cleaning it all up.  Every time he goes out kayaking he brings a small trash bag with him and fills it up, the biggest thing that would piss him off to no end was face masks floating in the water. 

I can respect that.  I wouldn’t consider myself an environmentalist but I do like being outdoors and I do not like it when people litter or unnecessarily destroy the environment.  I might be a tree hugger though because I love trees and I hate it when they are cut down without consideration of saving them🤣