Government fleet sales are still profitable sales.  Maybe lower profit, but still profit.  It does help spread fixed costs, but I'm pretty sure Ford got out of the business of selling vehicles at a loss.

Really?  I hope not, unless you have abandoned your view on "profitability" or are you now looking at any sale as a means of spreading your fixed costs which I think helps keep the "ship afloat"😎

I would have to think that F-650 owners are the LAST thing in Ford Pro's mind. My comment about including 650/750 in their CPO  push is a bit of a joke... Surprised they even thought of including them.  In terms of Ford Pro's target as I see it is the class 1-3 market, medium duty?...They could care less. I would agree with your point on "using up" the higher classes, but at the other end, you have a large population of small businesses that could find a downturn in business that no longer supports their payments on vehicles...CPO as I see it gives them an opportunity to "trade down".

I think buyers are reacting to the fuel prices, but they are embracing hybrids more than BEVs.   I rented a Hyundai Elantra hybrid a few days ago and didn’t like it but the MPGs were in the 50-60 range for our 300 mile trip. If you can get that kind of fuel economy with a hybrid why bother with the inconvenience of a BEV?

Yeah, that's what I was referring to, sales over the course of the year.

Yeah, I'd bump up a trim/features before spending that on a paint job like that.

How do you sell CPO sales to a third party?

I did this math too....   Sales would be up if it weren't for 3 factors creating nearly all of their decline: 1) Escape/Corsair being dropped......(97,294 lost sales YTD) 2) F-series aluminum fire production issues (59,072 lost sales YTD) 3) EV sales decline (46,947 lost sales, but EV sales are down for all auto companies here with gov't incentives removed) Those three factors result in 203,313 lost sales YTD vs an overall company decline of 142,629. Point #1 is self-inflicted by bad product planning, but #2 and #3 are out of Ford's control.     I mentioned it in another thread, but I may try to look at Mach-E sales over the course of the year to see how it's doing with gas prices.......Lightning and E-Transit aren't worth looking into....   To be fair, Corsair returns in a couple of months back up to 4 models, but your point is still valid of them changing plans often...     I think there was talk about the hybrid returning, but no idea on the timeline.....I wonder if it won't happen until the refresh (rebody?) that's supposedly coming...

We'll see if it last long-term....     I got a notification this morning on mine that it's going to try to do the update at 1am tonight.

10 posts ago (from another source) lol.   I chalk it up more to slow news day reading too far into quotes......we know there's a lot going into Fathom.  If they're delayed, it's their own fault for going off their announced timeline.