Ford Focus Flub

[Biker16]

That is the stupidest thing I've ever seen you post. The part that's factual isn't correct, and the rest of it is opinion disguised as fact.

 

Ford Europe's "Kinetic" language is about the same age as the "Dave" language.

 

Ford's "Kinetic" language first appeared on the EUCD launches, which arrived in 2006 at, for all intents and purposes, the same time as the Edge.

 

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And how well are those FoE products doing in Oz?

I wasn't just talking about the kinitic design but the Soft New edge of the last mondeo ---> to the original new edge design of the MK1 Focus in 1998.

 

it you go from the MK1 focus

 

 

to the 2000 MK3 mondeo which went to a more pedestrian Design.

 

MK6 fiesta- in 2002 which had taken cues from the new edge focus and the softer edge mondeo

 

Mk2 focus softer less fresh of a face than the original

 

the new MK4 mondeo First production use of "kinetic design"

 

the Mk7 fiesta evolution of kinetic Design

[RichardJensen]

The only commonality I see between the C1 Focus and the EUCD Mondeo is the trapezoidal lower intake, and the triangular rear quarter window.

 

I noticed you picked the Mondeo estate, as it has much less noticeable side detailing.

 

 

To the extent that the Mondeo represents less of a departure from the evolved New Edge, when compared with the Fusion, I assert that it remains too conservative for the US target consumer.

Edited March 26, 2008 by RichardJensen

[RichardJensen]

Besides, it is my worry that an attempt to Americanize the Kinetic design will result in something like this:

 

 

And while the Focus is selling well, it is, IMO, an exceptionally homely car.

Edited March 26, 2008 by RichardJensen

[Biker16]

To ford North America We have had many different Designs.

 

2000 focus

 

2000 taurus

 

2000 Crown Victoria

 

2000 mustang

 

2005 focus

 

2005 500

 

2005 mustang

 

2006 Fusion

 

My point is that For the last 10 years, ford NA has been trying hard to be everything. so much so that With out the badges most Ford car could be mistaken for cars by other makes.

 

Foe because of its much younger lineup, and faster refresh rate has maintained consistancy in it design, that has consistently improving as time goes by. Ford NA has just now gotten to this point.

 

Ford of Europe cars look like fords, ford north america's Cars until recently have not.

Edited March 26, 2008 by Biker16

[RichardJensen]

ford north america's Cars until recently have not.

And that's the key pair of words: "UNTIL RECENTLY"

 

Doesn't matter what Ford NA looked like 8 years ago. Unless there's something magical about that number. Because Ford Europe was all over the map in '98.

 

Don't be so selective about your time frames.

 

In 1998, there was a pretty fair amount of consistency between the Taurus, Contour, Escort, Crown Vic and Mustang, while in Europe you had the Fiesta, Focus, Mondeo, and Scorpio melange.

 

 

 

 

Frankly, I don't think Ford stands to benefit from iconic products like the Edge and Flex, if all the other vehicles are as plain-jane as the Mondeo & C2 Focus.

[BORG]

And that's the key pair of words: "UNTIL RECENTLY"

 

Doesn't matter what Ford NA looked like 8 years ago. Unless there's something magical about that number. Because Ford Europe was all over the map in '98.

 

Don't be so selective about your time frames.

 

In 1998, there was a pretty fair amount of consistency between the Taurus, Contour, Escort, Crown Vic and Mustang, while in Europe you had the Fiesta, Focus, Mondeo, and Scorpio melange.

 

 

 

 

Frankly, I don't think Ford stands to benefit from iconic products like the Edge and Flex, if all the other vehicles are as plain-jane as the Mondeo & C2 Focus.

 

Ford is suppose to be transitioning to a new global design language but I'm sure that applies only to the global products and not the local ones. And since they are still figuring this out, expect substantial increase in inconsistency as we see cars like the Fiesta, Focus, Fusion, and Taurus looking absolutely NOTHING like each other by 2011.

Edited March 26, 2008 by BORG

[RichardJensen]

The 2008 Focus clearly does not resemble any Ford vehicle here or overseas.

How can you look at the 2007 Mondeo and say that with a straight face?

 

They TOTALLY aped the Mondeo greenhouse and side sculpting on the Focus.

[rmc523]

This is true Fordbest shot at a "ford" idenity is by usig Ford of Europe. because it's design and material quality is mature and better represnts What ford should be.

production Fiesta.

 

It has felt for the past Few year Ford NA, has been poking in the dark trying to find an identity, Ford in Europe don't have this problem and would be more ready today to "out ford" Toyota, which is what FNA has been trying to do for decades.

 

Well, even that interior still looks good, especially for a b-car.

[BORG]

How can you look at the 2007 Mondeo and say that with a straight face?

 

They TOTALLY aped the Mondeo greenhouse and side sculpting on the Focus.

 

They aped the corner window, that's ALL. The nose looks like a Saturn Ion and the rear looks like a 1997 Escort.

[RichardJensen]

They aped the corner window, that's ALL. The nose looks like a Saturn Ion and the rear looks like a 1997 Escort.

The =greenhouse= is neither the trunk nor the nose. It is the greenhouse. It is as similar to the Mondeo as the Taurus is to the A6.

 

And then there's the matter of the side sculpting, which has no Ford badged antecedent on this side of the Atlantic

[BORG]

The =greenhouse= is neither the trunk nor the nose. It is the greenhouse. It is as similar to the Mondeo as the Taurus is to the A6.

 

And then there's the matter of the side sculpting, which has no Ford badged antecedent on this side of the Atlantic

 

The side sculpturing looks nothing like any Ford product anywhere on this planet, including the Euro Focus. Unless you want to paint a broad category of 'side sculpturing' as design aping.

 

The greenhouse overall looks nothing like anything from FoE, it's the old Focus greenhouse afteral which has long since been retired in Europe. Only the corner window was aped. The Focus reeks of design by committee, it's a Homer Simpson car, it's a horrendous hodge-podge of tacked on design ideas. And then you have the Flex coming down the line which is a completely wacky and indulgent design that is overall good but scary from a marketing standpoint. There is no design sanity at Ford, it's a complete freak show now and it gets worse as the year progresses.

Edited March 26, 2008 by BORG

[RichardJensen]

The greenhouse overall looks nothing like anything from FoE

Your dislike of the car has rendered you blind.

[Noah Harbinger]

The Focus reeks of design by committee, it's a Homer Simpson car, it's a horrendous hodge-podge of tacked on design ideas.

 

Homer's car, "The Homer" (Simpsons, season 2 episode 15, "Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?") was precisely the opposite of design by committee, it was what happens when you build anyone's "perfect car": You get a car that only one person would want.

[P71_CrownVic]

Besides, it is my worry that an attempt to Americanize the Kinetic design will result in something like this:

 

 

And while the Focus is selling well, it is, IMO, an exceptionally homely car.

Except those look nothing alike. You are such a negatard.

[BORG]

Your dislike of the car has rendered you blind.

 

You and I have completely different definitions of what is the same. There is a substantial difference in terms of finished quality, look how sloppy the NA Focus looks in comparison with the huge globs of plastic surrounded the windows, or the bent lines forming the arch of the greenhouse. The Euro Focus has door frames that blends into the glass as oppose to the NA Focus which has a two toned appearance making things much less tidy and outdated (this remains a huge problem in NA where they reuse doors over and over and over again to the point they sabotage the visual quality of their updates). Quite frankly, the previous gen NA focus had a more attractive greenhouse where at least the bent lines complimented the angular design. Now we are back to the 90s where Ford updated its boxy cars by making the soft bits rounder so you have a completely incoherent mishmash of designs. In the end, the original always looked the best (although i still think the 2005 was the best looking focus because they fixed the nasty nose from the 2000 Focus).

 

In any case, if it wasn't for the 3rd corner window, the NA Focus would look absolutely nothing like the greenhouse from Europe.

Edited March 26, 2008 by BORG

[Ford Jellymoulds]

Except those look nothing alike. You are such a negatard.

Good post the whole market is flooded out with the Mondeo shape cars every car maker has a Mondeo in it's showroom, just because they have the lights bigger or smaller more or less bars on the grille the ALL have the same outer profile dull bland and boring BMW are the market leaders and Skodas top quality option at nearly half the price offers better value than a Mondeo.

 

Why would a VW man trading up to a bigger car from a Polo or Golf ever consider a Mondeo when he can stay with VW and buy a Passat or cheaper top quality Skoda as an option same shaped Mondeo. Sorry but the Cortina used to own most of this market in the past, it had a bags of character the Mondeo has none the only thing Ford can do is open up new Mondeo plants everywhere and hope the locals buy some like they are doing in Russia at the moment, but the you could do that with JPD's Aussie Falcon open plants up all over Europe and Russia sales would INCREASE. Why not offer something new other than a boring bland generic Mondeo.

 

The Cortina dominated the business category like no other model, before or since. No wonder the motor industry invented a new category to talk about and design for - they called it the "Cortina class". In Britain, there were times when one in every six new cars sold was a Cortina.

 

It was Britain's best-seller from day one - the first million took less than four years to build, and in the best year of all, 1979, nearly 200,000 found a home in Britain alone. Until the Sierra took over in 1982, it never faltered. Today the Focus Uk'S top seller sells which sells just over half what the Cortina sold back then despite the new market sale has doubled and grown in size since 1982. Mondeo can't even make the UK top 10, the French & German car makers have had a massive growth in sales the UK since 1982, but Focus still remains No1.

 

Cortina success helped to sweep Ford to the top of British sales charts in that decade, a position that it has never lost.

 

CORTINA like the MUSTANG had no rival, Mondeo gave it all away by becoming boring.

 

Today's Ford salespeople would no doubt love to repeat that sort of fame, but as the blue oval no longer produces cars at Dagenham, or indeed in Britain, that looks unlikely. Even now, two decades after the last Cortina rolled off the production line, it has no rival.

 

DAILY TELEGRAPH reports Cortina SIMPLY BRILLIANT......

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.j...0/emfcort21.xml

[BORG]

While the Mondeo is nice and modern from bow to stern, it's key features are very non-destinct. The Fusion, by contrast, has a very outdated body design with perfuctory body creases and ill-fitting trim pieces but a sharp face and tidy bum which stand above the Mondeo (IMO). The Mondeo really resembles the Malibu, although I think the Malibu is the better design. I am not a big fan of what Ford is doing globally so you won't find me pining for the Euro/Aussie Fords. Ford in general is struggling with a strong design language which GM has nailed so well.

Edited March 26, 2008 by BORG

[silvrsvt]

The Mondeo really resembles the Malibu, although I think the Malibu is the better design.

 

 

The problem is that the more I see the Malibu it looks bloated, in photos the Mondeo isn't...

[BORG]

The problem is that the more I see the Malibu it looks bloated, in photos the Mondeo isn't...

 

The Mondeo brings too much attention to the front-end overhang. I've seen one driving around and the design, particularly when stripped down, reminds me of a Taurus, long and slippery. Still, it does look like a much more mordern car than the Fusion which could have been birthed in 2000 with the same design and not made much of an impression (excluding the Fascia). The Mondeo on the other hand has a 'quality' design, tight seems, flush glass, completely resolved character lines, etc..

Edited March 26, 2008 by BORG

[suv_guy_19]

completely resolved character lines, etc..

 

Yeah, just look at how everything nicely comes together in the rear end....:rolleyes:

[jasonj80]

And that's the key pair of words: "UNTIL RECENTLY"

 

Doesn't matter what Ford NA looked like 8 years ago. Unless there's something magical about that number. Because Ford Europe was all over the map in '98.

 

Don't be so selective about your time frames.

 

In 1998, there was a pretty fair amount of consistency between the Taurus, Contour, Escort, Crown Vic and Mustang, while in Europe you had the Fiesta, Focus, Mondeo, and Scorpio melange.

 

 

 

 

Frankly, I don't think Ford stands to benefit from iconic products like the Edge and Flex, if all the other vehicles are as plain-jane as the Mondeo & C2 Focus.

 

 

The late '90's Scorpio was the ugliest thing ever built in the automotive world, actually i think the pictures make it look better than it did in person.

 

 

 

[RichardJensen]

You and I have completely different definitions of what is the same. There is a substantial difference in terms of finished quality, look how sloppy the NA Focus looks in comparison with the huge globs of plastic surrounded the windows, or the bent lines forming the arch of the greenhouse. The Euro Focus has door frames that blends into the glass as oppose to the NA Focus which has a two toned appearance making things much less tidy and outdated

that's not the Euro Focus, you knob.

 

thank you for making my point.

[BORG]

that's not the Euro Focus, you knob.

 

thank you for making my point.

 

 

Always glad to be of service.

 

-the resident knob.

Edited March 26, 2008 by BORG

[jpd80]

Come on Borg, show som initiative,

This is the picture you mean - 2009 Focus:

 

 

Edited March 26, 2008 by jpd80

[suv_guy_19]

Come on Borg, show som initiative,

This is the picture you mean - 2009 Focus:

 

 

 

Could it look any more boring (top)?

Edited March 26, 2008 by suv_guy_19