fordmantpw Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Wiz....are you sure? If the story and pictures are from 2008, there would be no way Ford would have let the then unrevealed 2009 F150 be caught without any camo..... The '09 F150 was unveiled in Detroit in January '08. The date on the article is 'Jul 18, 2008 3:15 PM'...top right of the page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Well...OK then...didn't see that....carry on with your normal programming... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goinbroke2 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Well..I read a bunch of the posts...but...I skipped to the end.LOL! As most know on here, I drive a 4 door f-350 with a 7.3 diesel. (pre turbo, non Powerstrole) My honest opinion on this whole thing is, I LOVE my diesel! There is only 1 way I will buy a newer truck.(which would also be a diesel) And that would be to build a 4 door 1/2ton that is rated a 10,000lb's and have a small diesel in it. I don't need 700hp and a gazillion pounds of torque. I would prefer 175-275hp and 325-425lb's of torque, with a 6 speed manual and I could haul anything I ever wanted to. The "mine is bigger than yours" thing is a little rediculous. My old 7.3 has 175hp and 320lb's and it is plenty. Yes when I'm towing the racecar with the camper in the back and go up a long hill, I floor it to stay at 65mph. Well..that is the biggest load, so I should be wide open. If I get to the biggest load point and only use 1/2 throttle, then obviously I have more power than I need. (yes I would like more reserve hp but can live without it) If I can't get a little diesel in a half ton that will pull my toys, then I'll stick with my old beast until I get the next one ton diesel...in the far future, the old girl only has 400,000km's on her yet.LOL So, my vote, BUILD THE HALF TON DIESEL, FORD...I WILL BUY ONE!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 My honest opinion on this whole thing is, I LOVE my diesel! There is only 1 way I will buy a newer truck.(which would also be a diesel) And that would be to build a 4 door 1/2ton that is rated a 10,000lb's and have a small diesel in it. I don't need 700hp and a gazillion pounds of torque. I would prefer 175-275hp and 325-425lb's of torque, with a 6 speed manual and I could haul anything I ever wanted to. So right, even the baby 3.6 V8 diesel still has 268 hp and 472 lb ft of torque. That sounds a bit like the power figures of the original 6.8 V10 gas engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black02 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 I really hope Ford comes out with the diesel in the F-150, I'm looking at purchasing a new truck within the next year when things settle for me a bit more and that is the top of my list. I've heard it was shelved but I hope just pushed back a few months/year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Greene Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 (edited) Also....it seems to me a 4.4 diesel is too large and thirsty for what most folks plan to do with their F150. Most just want an economical F150 for light duty stuff. A 3.0 diesel would be fine with me. It would still tow a 5000 lb boat. Why this obsession with all this power, when you have gears you can use. I remember all the work the old 300 inline sixes did, towing back hoes, bob cats, and other stuff. We never complained about lack of power with those crude engines. They got the job done. It's time we started thinking about how small an engine can be to do a job. The Super Duty is still out there for real truck needs....hauling your 5th wheel to Alaska, etc. Edited November 14, 2009 by Ralph Greene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meyeste Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 2010-ford-4-4-liter-diesel-engine-scooped Not sure how excited I am about this with diesel $0.70 more tha gas now, but I'm sure it'll pull tree stumps. If Ford offers the 4.4L diesel when I am ready to buy a new F150 which will be ~2013 I'll buy one. By that I mean something with ~400lb torque and gets ~25 mpg which seems within the realm of possibility. If I'm going to pay more for the eco-boost V-6 vs a diesel I'd just as well get the diesel. It'll be hard to not get the upcoming 5.0L or the 6.2L and depending on their numbers perhaps I'll opt for them. The 5.0L is something of a new technological break through for mass produced V-8 engines and if it's as good as I'm hearing it'll be hard to resist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92merc Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 ... If I'm going to pay more for the eco-boost V-6 vs a diesel I'd just as well get the diesel. ... The general consensus is Ecoboost is cheaper to build than a diesel and much easier to pass emissions. I'm not ruling out a 4.4 diesel. I'm just saying the diesel will be more expensive than Ecoboost and might be a limited production in the F150, if at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUCKRACER Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 2010-ford-4-4-liter-diesel-engine-scooped Not sure how excited I am about this with diesel $0.70 more tha gas now, but I'm sure it'll pull tree stumps. This was "scooped" April 13, 2008, right???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 The 4.4-litre diesel V8 will come from Fords plant in Chihuahua in a few months. Will the export to LandRover UK be a start of production for the US-market as well? The proper machining-equipment is installed. Don't count your chickens. "Reliable sources" from Dearborn tell me there are still no plans to put the 4.4L in ANYTHING with a Ford label on the front ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 (edited) Those reliable sources may change their minds if GM is heating up the Duramax 4500 don´t you think? I already passed that story on. Their opinion is that Ford management will wait for GM to lead the way. Edited June 9, 2010 by theoldwizard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 I already passed that story on. Their opinion is that Ford management will wait for GM to lead the way. ...into debt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94ranger Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 I really don't understand why car companies spend millions and millions of dollars developing technologies like the 4.4L and then scrap it in the late stages of testing. The 4.4L Diesel or another small diesel V8 (or V6) seems like it could still be a really good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 I really don't understand why car companies spend millions and millions of dollars developing technologies like the 4.4L and then scrap it in the late stages of testing. The 4.4L Diesel or another small diesel V8 (or V6) seems like it could still be a really good idea. I agree, but it isn't a total loss as it is going to Land Rover (and I imagine that was part of the plan all along). I still think we'll see it in Ford / Lincoln products in 2-4 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 (edited) I really don't understand why car companies spend millions and millions of dollars developing technologies like the 4.4L and then scrap it in the late stages of testing. Well, first of all, it was not "scrapped". It was moved to the back burner and then to the front when the deal with Land Rover was completed. There are a couple of reasons why the 4.4L moved to the back burner Lack of emission/calibration/packaging engineers. Management thought, incorrectly, that the engineers could develop 2 engines with the head count they normally received to do one (probably even less). They eventually realized they were wrong. The price of diesel fuel jumped (and has never returned to it what it should be priced at) while at the same time diesel emission control hurt their fuel economy inspite of using urea after-treatment. Diesel was no longer a "good deal" for people who drove a lot of miles each year. The marketeers did not want to "confuse" the public with too many engine choices on the F150/Excursion/Navigator. There are will be 3 new engine choices for 2011MY, EcoBoost V6 (F150 only ?), 5.0L and the 6.2L. Why offer a diesel ? Edited June 25, 2010 by theoldwizard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94ranger Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 Well, first of all, it was not "scrapped". It was moved to the back burner and then to the front when the deal with Land Rover was completed. There are a couple of reasons why the 4.4L moved to the back burner Lack of emission/calibration/packaging engineers. Management thought, incorrectly, that the engineers could develop 2 engines with the head count they normally received to do one (probably even less). They eventually realized they were wrong. The price of diesel fuel jumped (and has never returned to it what it should be priced at) while at the same time diesel emission control hurt their fuel economy inspite of using urea after-treatment. Diesel was no longer a "good deal" for people who drove a lot of miles each year. The marketeers did not want to "confuse" the public with too many engine choices on the F150/Excursion/Navigator. There are will be 3 new engine choices for 2011MY, EcoBoost V6 (F150 only ?), 5.0L and the 6.2L. Why offer a diesel ? Ok. I see your point. I just expected to see the 4.4 available by now since its been being talked about for 4 or 5 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 (edited) That doesn't mean that the diesel will never be used, just that Ecoboost and conventional V8 gas engines are a better choice in F150 for now. What happens if oil prices or supply becomes affected is anyone's guess.... Edited June 27, 2010 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Ok. I see your point. I just expected to see the 4.4 available by now since its been being talked about for 4 or 5 years. by the sounds of it, it wouldn't take much to get it ready for production should Ford choose to introduce it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalohead Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 If it's as quiet as a 6.7, the potential for the light truck division is HUGE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthonynelson Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 anyone have a blueprint of these engines? demensions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatunka Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Wait and see. The Chihuahua plant that is producing them are now preparing for a annual production of 400.000 4.4-litre diesels anually.........More than 10 times the volumes that Land Rover needs. ----------------- From AWK Ford has now confirmed that its Chihuahua Engine Plant (CEP) in Mexico will produce over 750,000 diesel engines a year. According to plant manager, Enrique Araiza, CEP's new Plant 11 facility has capacity to assemble 400,000 of Ford's 4.4-litre V8 diesel engines a year, as well as 200,000 upa of the 6.7-litre V8 diesel. Both engines are completely new and make use of compacted graphite iron (CGI) cylinder blocks. Chihuahua Plant Araiza forecast that production capacity for the 6.7-litre unit will be expanded to 380,000 upa, bringing total diesel engine capacity at the plant to over 750,000 upa I have been waiting for 10 years, build it already! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieselguy Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I have been waiting for 10 years, build it already! It would be nice to have a diesel like that for the E-Series, yea, build it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthonynelson Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 I have been waiting for 10 years, build it already! ANYONE WANT ONE ? HAVE ONE IN THE US =] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black02 Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 I have been waiting for 10 years, build it already! Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jvrad3 Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 All I can say is that there is more to the half-ton diesel non existence than we know. Surely the manufacturers know that they would sell like hotcakes! I am just hoping that they don't come out for a few more years, so that the lease on my ecoboost will be up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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