RichardJensen Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Ford needs to continue gaining market share through this down turn. That's about the only thing they can accomplish. Then, they need to be prepared to defend their market share during the up turn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 He'll start talking about the need to divest Mazda. Then, after they sell Mazda, he'll insist they sell Ford of Europe to BMW or SAIC. :rolleyes: Some of you guys just can't stand there and let things go. It seems if you are not bitching about somebody not smoking from the Ford crack pipe then you want to kick them out. Give me a break-it was a statement. Volvo is a mess. They have had control of that company for 8 years? I agree that it gets more like saab every day. They obviously recognize that and have decided to sell it-which is great-just dumbfounded where things have gone with the brand. Glad to see their sales rebound. The dealer's that I talk to have been moving a lot of trucks, expeditions, explorers-all product that dried up when gas was $4/ gallon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Some of you guys just can't stand there and let things go. It seems if you are not bitching about somebody not smoking from the Ford crack pipe then you want to kick them out. Give me a break-it was a statement. Volvo is a mess. They have had control of that company for 8 years? I agree that it gets more like saab every day. They obviously recognize that and have decided to sell it-which is great-just dumbfounded where things have gone with the brand. Glad to see their sales rebound. The dealer's that I talk to have been moving a lot of trucks, expeditions, explorers-all product that dried up when gas was $4/ gallon. You obviously have not seen any of TStag's posts on other threads in regards to Volvo. It goes beyond any sort of bitching or cheerleading extremes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Of those reporting so far which includes Toyota, Honda, GM, and Chrysler, Ford was down the least of all of them. Not bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnostic Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 According to GMs proposal to the feds they need $4b by the end o the month to cover operations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 It seems if you are not bitching about somebody not smoking from the Ford crack pipe This guy wanted Ford to sell Lincolns in Europe under the Rover badge. Does he sound like someone who has his head screwed on straight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 This guy wanted Ford to sell Lincolns in Europe under the Rover badge. Does he sound like someone who has his head screwed on straight? I had forgotten about that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
351cid Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Hyundai down 40% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintlaz1 Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Sable went up in sales a bit! Im sure right now you can get a heck of a deal on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Hyundai down 40% Curious... what were the Genesis numbers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tango_28 Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Curious... what were the Genesis numbers? Flagship-2 1. Lucerne - 3,134 2. Maxima - 2,718 3. Avalon - 2,502 4. Genesis - 1,151 5. G8 - 1,133 6. Passat - 937 7. CC - 782 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Flagship-2 1. Lucerne - 3,134 Taurus - 3,040 2. Maxima - 2,718 3. Avalon - 2,502 MKS - 1,958 Sable - 1,230 4. Genesis - 1,151 5. G8 - 1,133 6. Passat - 937 7. CC - 782 I asked about the Genesis because certain people (who might still lurk) hyped the Genesis for its RWD and available V8... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reynolds Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 (edited) Some of you guys just can't stand there and let things go. It seems if you are not bitching about somebody not smoking from the Ford crack pipe then you want to kick them out. Give me a break-it was a statement. Volvo is a mess. They have had control of that company for 8 years? I agree that it gets more like saab every day. They obviously recognize that and have decided to sell it-which is great-just dumbfounded where things have gone with the brand. Glad to see their sales rebound. The dealer's that I talk to have been moving a lot of trucks, expeditions, explorers-all product that dried up when gas was $4/ gallon. LOL more and more like Saab everday? I haven't seen any other badge engineered Volvo under Ford's helm, nor are there any Volvos that have been around since 1996 without a major refresh. I suppose if Volvo offered up cheap leases such as BMW, Audi and MB the brand would have been A O K Edited December 2, 2008 by Michael Reynolds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 ...nor are there any Volvos that have been around since 1996 without a major refresh. What about S60? Or was that '98 when the current model came out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reynolds Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 (edited) What about S60? Or was that '98 when the current model came out? S60 - 2000 9-5 - 1997 You also don't see Volvos full of Ford parts. Look inside a 9-3 or 9-5, and voila GM corporate head units. Edited December 2, 2008 by Michael Reynolds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 LOL more and more like Saab everday? I haven't seen any other badge engineered Volvo under Ford's helm, nor are there any Volvos that have been around since 1996 without a major refresh. I suppose if Volvo offered up cheap leases such as BMW, Audi and MB the brand would have been A O K The reference to saab is that volvo is becoming a smaller niche player all the time. Kind of worrisome because it is not even on the consumers mind. And they have offered some very good leases on the S80. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Everything is down -30% and more, Mini is the only car that breaks the mould sales are up +43%. http://www.autoblog.com/2008/12/02/by-the-...pare-a-dime-ed/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TStag Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 The Flex - a car that so many on here said was going to be the next big thing. Hmmm. First they blamed the fuel crisis, and now what, the down turn? I feel cars like the Flex are a complete waste of money. If Ford is serious about fixing it's problems it needs to get all the basic right. Rather than design the Flex, why didn't Ford NA focus on a MINI rival when the MINI Mk2 came to America and proved a sucess? The Flex was always a gamble one that's not paying off. Ford needs to focus on what it's brands do well. Why not treat Mustang as a seperate brand and develop a range of cars around that name. A 4 door would be a great idea and it should be sent to Europe. If BMW managed Mustang by now you would have upteen versions of it and it would be smashing sales records everywhere. But no build a Flex instead. Why develop a Flex which costs a fortune and wears the Ford badge. Why not design a great Lincoln instead? If Ford really want to fix Volvo give it some new models, XC60 is a good start, but where are all the other new models? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Why not treat Mustang as a seperate brand and develop a range of cars around that name. A 4 door would be a great idea and it should be sent to Europe. You see what I'm talking about, Kyle? The guy displays an instinct for the business that I thought died along with British Leyland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TStag Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 The reference to saab is that volvo is becoming a smaller niche player all the time. Kind of worrisome because it is not even on the consumers mind. And they have offered some very good leases on the S80. SAAB only make about 2 models. If you do a like for like comparison with Volvo then the sales numbers aren't vastly different. That's really scary stuff for Volvo. I hope they don't become irrelevant but they are heading that way and I don't see how they can quickly/ easily fix things. I don't know if you have followed the demise of Woolworths in the UK, but one of the reasons it went under was because consumers no longer knew what it was there for. What is Volvo for? It's a scarily similar problem in admitedly a different business sector.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 The Flex - a car that so many on here said was going to be the next big thing. Hmmm. First they blamed the fuel crisis, and now what, the down turn? I feel cars like the Flex are a complete waste of money. If Ford is serious about fixing it's problems it needs to get all the basic right. Rather than design the Flex, why didn't Ford NA focus on a MINI rival when the MINI Mk2 came to America and proved a sucess? The Flex was always a gamble one that's not paying off. Ford needs to focus on what it's brands do well. Why not treat Mustang as a seperate brand and develop a range of cars around that name. A 4 door would be a great idea and it should be sent to Europe. If BMW managed Mustang by now you would have upteen versions of it and it would be smashing sales records everywhere. But no build a Flex instead. Why develop a Flex which costs a fortune and wears the Ford badge. Why not design a great Lincoln instead? If Ford really want to fix Volvo give it some new models, XC60 is a good start, but where are all the other new models? Mustang would be a massive hit in Europe, but the buzz word at Ford is "NO CAN DO" at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TStag Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 You see what I'm talking about, Kyle? The guy displays an instinct for the business that I thought died along with British Leyland. So by your reasoning BMW were wrong to develop a MINI estate. Aston Martin are fools to make the Rapide, Porsche and the Panemera? Just idiots right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TStag Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 (edited) Mustang would be a massive hit in Europe, but the buzz word at Ford is "NO CAN DO" at the moment. Well "No can do" is probably something they got off Richard. Maybe Ford bosses think it's too "BL" Also see "no can do" European Ford designs in the USA. Wait strike that consumers want smaller more fuel efficient cars..... wait how long has MINI been sold in the USA.... I wonder if the USA will say "no can do" to America's big 3? "no can do" the one thing you never say in business. Edited December 3, 2008 by TStag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 So by your reasoning BMW were wrong to develop a MINI estate. Aston Martin are fools to make the Rapide, Porsche and the Panemera? Just idiots right? 1) BMW invented Mini out of whole cloth. That vehicle had been dead for 30 years when it was resurrected. They can do pretty much whatever they want with it, as long as it's tiny. 2) Aston Martin has a history of offering sedans (most recently the very strange Lagonda). 3) The Panamera isn't on the market, and YES, I think they're making a HUGE mistake with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 "no can do" the one thing you never say in business. O the wretched irony of it all!!!! Born forty years too late to assume his rightful position as chief of British Leyland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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