fordmantpw Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 (edited) My argument had nothing to do with the success of the F-series being effected because the 5.4 lacked power. I am saying...purely academically...that the 5.4 is weak. Period. And I believe the F-150 in particular would be a better truck if it came with a stronger available engine. If you don't share that opinion, thats fine! We can agree to disagree. Now if your arguing that it doesnt matter because of reasons XYZ. You can do that if you wish to. But it doesnt change my argument that the 5.4 is still weak. Thats it. Have a great weekend! The 5.4 is not "weak. Period.". It is weak compared to the larger engines in the class. Compared to comparable engines, it holds its own. Compared to engines of 10-15 years ago, it is leaps and bounds ahead. In the past, I have seen numbers on the sales of the 6.2 Chevy, vs the 5.3. I believe it was something like 1 in 20. It could have been worse, even. While it sounds good (the big horsepower), most people get over the initial woohoo, and realize that for 99% of what they do with their truck, the 5.3 is just fine. Exactly! The problem for you, is friends of yours have bought other trucks since you bought yours. You guys all go someplace together, and in typical testosterone fashion................. everyone starts to "race" each other (turtle race, with trucks). They beat you, with their newer, more powerful trucks.............. and it must have made your cajones shrink a little. Awwwwww. Now you don't like your truck as much, so noone else should like theirs either. As a note to your post, my cajones and associated bits are the same size (I'm guessing...I didn't measure) that they were when I had my '99 F150 with it's measly 260HP and when I had my '86 Bronco II with it's gutless 50 HP (actually, it was probably closer to 150, but it drove like 50) as they are now with my 300 HP F150. Edited May 8, 2009 by fordmantpw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 In the past, I have seen numbers on the sales of the 6.2 Chevy, vs the 5.3. I believe it was something like 1 in 20. It could have been worse, even. While it sounds good (the big horsepower), most people get over the initial woohoo, and realize that for 99% of what they do with their truck, the 5.3 is just fine. The problem is that Ford doesn't offer something to seriously compete with the bigger engines you can get in other trucks....its lacking in bragging rights when it comes to engines... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 The problem is that Ford doesn't offer something to seriously compete with the bigger engines you can get in other trucks....its lacking in bragging rights when it comes to engines... Bingo...45 argumentative posts wrapped up in one nutshell......BUT, Fords bigger engine IS coming...and then Morgande, it will be game on.......AND apples to apples......and hey, by that time Hemis may be extinct.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 The problem is that Ford doesn't offer something to seriously compete with the bigger engines you can get in other trucks....its lacking in bragging rights when it comes to engines... Zactly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Critic Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Bingo...45 argumentative posts wrapped up in one nutshell......BUT, Fords bigger engine IS coming...and then Morgande, it will be game on.......AND apples to apples......and hey, by that time Hemis may be extinct.... That hurts.... The Fiat Hemi Hey dude, what's that Mio got in it? a Hemi? Meanwhile this will be the Ford Eco-Boost 5.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Bingo...45 argumentative posts wrapped up in one nutshell......BUT, Fords bigger engine IS coming...and then Morgande, it will be game on.......AND apples to apples......and hey, by that time Hemis may be extinct.... And also to that point, there was a mass exodus of people from the lifestyle truck market last year that's where a lot of Ford's upper end F Truck business disappeared from - SD Turbo diesels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 That hurts.... The Fiat Hemi Hey dude, what's that Mio got in it? a Hemi? Meanwhile this will be the Ford Eco-Boost 5.0 Fiat hemi...the Femi....the truck real men don't drive..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 one thing I am curious about though, seeing as the 5.0 is supposedly destined to replace the 5.4, I wonder how #'s will compare? Man, am I the only on getting perturbed at how the Govt CAFE requirements are killing some of the excitement we are so used too? Sign of the times I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xr7g428 Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 I know it blows up the whole "5.4 should be enough" theory, but hey Dean, any word on when I can order that F150 with the 6.2? I want what I want, and I want an F150 that can pull my enclosed trailer with a '68 Cougar in it up and over the mountains around Phoenix in the middle of summer at a speed that doesn't make me a hazard to the rest of the traffic. My '05 5.4 simply is not capable of doing this. I am very pleased to hear that the '09 5.4 is more able, bet the 6.2 is a hoot. As to the 460, the one I had in my '76 would pull the load I am talking about, no problems. The funny thing is that it seems like the 460 is over represented in the survivor trucks I see still on the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 I know it blows up the whole "5.4 should be enough" theory, but hey Dean, any word on when I can order that F150 with the 6.2? I want what I want, and I want an F150 that can pull my enclosed trailer with a '68 Cougar in it up and over the mountains around Phoenix in the middle of summer at a speed that doesn't make me a hazard to the rest of the traffic. My '05 5.4 simply is not capable of doing this. I am very pleased to hear that the '09 5.4 is more able, bet the 6.2 is a hoot. As to the 460, the one I had in my '76 would pull the load I am talking about, no problems. The funny thing is that it seems like the 460 is over represented in the survivor trucks I see still on the road. no news on the 6.2 or the release dates of the raptor yet...I have a gut feeling BOTH will be 2010 updates so will guess August/ September is when ordering guides will be released.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extreme4x4 Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Fiat hemi...the Femi....the truck real men don't drive..... LMAO No kidding. Morgande, early 30's was my other guess. Lets just say, that as a women in a male dominated hobby, I have seen a pattern of thought, from certain age groups. When you get "old" like me (44) and my husband (48), your outlook does tend to change. Fordmantpw, I am glad that your cajones have survived. LMAO !!!! (he didn't get that I was trying to make a point with humor. My bad) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomaro Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 You basically had 2 engine choices for the mid 80s mid 90s F-150. 300 6cyl and 302 8cyl. 351s were a rarity...you were only getting them on an extended cab...which back then was rare to begin with. I only ever saw 1, which was a 95 model year. It offered no acceleration over our 94 with a 302 and 5 speed. The 460 was only available on the 250 and higher. Sorry I don't see a mid 70s 460 outpulling a 5.4. Stock for stock. 2v or 3v. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevys Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 one thing I am curious about though, seeing as the 5.0 is supposedly destined to replace the 5.4, I wonder how #'s will compare? Man, am I the only on getting perturbed at how the Govt CAFE requirements are killing some of the excitement we are so used too? Sign of the times I guess Im just guessing the 5.0 will have more hp and probably the same torque or maybe a touch more. It should get at least the same FE. I wonder if the 4.6 engines will be killed off as well? Ford is doing a good job keeping a lid on the rumor mill and its pissing me off. What is the engine lineup going to look like? 3.5/3.7 V6 5.0 TT 3.5/3.7 6.2?? Ford always seems to leave people out in the cold when it comes to engine availability when it comes to reg cab trucks in 2wd. Im hoping the 5.0 at least is available in everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 IMO, Ford is still weak in engines, although improving. The V6 in Mustang is weak. The Ranger engines are weak. You can only get one engine with your Focus. Only one engine choice with your Edge. Only one engine offered with Flex, although Ecoboost almost here. MKS engine is weak, although Ecoboost to the rescue. Hopefully an Ecoboost engine is coming to the F-150 to keep the auto reviewers happy. Ford finally improved the engine choices for the Escape and Fusion. So Ford is slowly coming out with new engines and more choices in their lineup. Patience is called for since it takes so long to certify new engines after years of testing. Oh, and that V6 engine in the Explorer is way past its prime. Ford's new engines can't come fast enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenCaylor Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 IMO, Ford is still weak in engines, although improving. The V6 in Mustang is weak. The Ranger engines are weak. You can only get one engine with your Focus. Only one engine choice with your Edge. Only one engine offered with Flex, although Ecoboost almost here. MKS engine is weak, although Ecoboost to the rescue. Hopefully an Ecoboost engine is coming to the F-150 to keep the auto reviewers happy. Ford finally improved the engine choices for the Escape and Fusion. So Ford is slowly coming out with new engines and more choices in their lineup. Patience is called for since it takes so long to certify new engines after years of testing. Oh, and that V6 engine in the Explorer is way past its prime. Ford's new engines can't come fast enough. It's amazing how perceptions change over the years. I remember growing up in the 60's and 70's, that any car that did 0-60 in under 10 seconds was considered quick. A V6 Mustang with a 0-60 time of 6.5 seconds is considered weak even though it has a better 0-60 time than a than a K-code 271 hp 65 Mustang. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 It's amazing how perceptions change over the years. I remember growing up in the 60's and 70's, that any car that did 0-60 in under 10 seconds was considered quick. A V6 Mustang with a 0-60 time of 6.5 seconds is considered weak even though it has a better 0-60 time than a than a K-code 271 hp 65 Mustang. So true. I remember when the cars mags would fawn over anything that had a sub-9 second 0-60 and sub 16 quarter mile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 MKS engine is weak, although Ecoboost to the rescue. Not within its peer group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White99GT Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 Just because the Ford is too heavy does not mean its over engineered. I guess I could say the same about the Camaro. I know its a different application but geeze people. That F150 wont last any longer than a GM truck imo. GM small blocks are notorious for lasting a long time. A heavy truck isn't necessarily a bad thing, and heavy "sports" car is. The pre-2007 GM trucks were just flimsy. We had a 2001 Silverado work truck at one point, and I dented the bed rail with my elbow lifting/curling a 5 gallon bucket of Thompson's water seal out of the bed. GM small blocks known for lasting a long time? I've seen FAR more Modulars with 300,000-400,000 miles than any other engine family. www.millionmilevan.com Original 5.4 2V, 1.1 million miles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomaro Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 Why is it that every few months we have this bullshit about current V6 Mustangs out accelerating Mustangs from the 60s???? It is BS. do not believe everything you read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8-X Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 (edited) Not sure how much validity there is to it, but I received a magazine from Ford (or my dealer O'Meara Ford) this past week, which I receive a new magazine from them about every month to two months. In it they had an article on the '10 Stang, the '10 Taurus (with a blurb about the SHO) and another about the Raptor. In the Raptor portion it stated the engine choices were the same basic 5.4L 320/390* (* on E85) and the all new 500hp 6.2L. Any speculation that the 6.2L will or could produce 500hp N/A? EDIT: Sorry, disregard this post. Already noticed the thread that speaks to this issue. Edited May 12, 2009 by V8-X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenCaylor Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Why is it that every few months we have this bullshit about current V6 Mustangs out accelerating Mustangs from the 60s???? It is BS. do not believe everything you read. Do you know how to read? May I suggest you check your archives? Motor Trend's first test of the Mustang was with a K-code model with the 4-speed manual. 0-60 in the 7's. New Mustang V6, tested with a 0-60 in the 6's. I have in front of me another mag from 1971. A Mustang Mach 1 with a 429 Cobra Jet with a 0-60 time of 6.5 seconds, same as the current V6 Mustang. Back in the 60's, anything with a 0-60 time of less than 10 seconds was considered quick. Another example. Back in 1983, I had an Escort GT, 1.6 EFI with a 5-speed manual. The quickest Escort you could buy. 0-60 in 11.3 seconds. Today's Focus will do the same in around 9 seconds. Perceptions change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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